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A fascinating thing has been discovering that the US is single-handedly responsible for a raft of world improvements on its own. Despite being cast as the villa

A fascinating thing has been discovering that the US is single-handedly responsible for a raft of world improvements on its own. Despite being cast as the villain, it turns out the US government was responsible for so much of significance. But America was asked to leave things alone, and perhaps we should. If the US was the only thing standing between order and chaos and they want chaos: give them chaos.

itishappy 2y ago
> But America was asked to leave things alone By whom?
- deleted 2y ago
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croes 2y ago
The US are both, one hand chaos, one hand order. Remember Escobar payed for hospitals to be built. Nobody is 100% evil. But now the lose this balance.
- dudefeliciano 2y ago
  enlightened centrism really needs to be stopped, this "logic" helps nobody
  - alexjplant 2y ago
    Your comment is logically fallacious. Instead of addressing the substance of their argument you attack a straw man because their opinion doesn't align with yours. The fact that it isn't one extreme or the other is of no consequence to its validity; your dislike for it is based strictly on its nuance, not whether it holds up, and that makes no sense. They even capitulated by saying > But now the lose this balance. and it still wasn't good enough for you. In case it isn't clear enough: I'm not defending "enlightened centrism" (whatever that is) so much as pointing out that your reasoning is flawed to the point of adding negative value to the discussion. Please review HN Guidelines [1], particularly the part about comments. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dudefeliciano 2y ago
      > Instead of addressing the substance of their argument you attack a straw man The substance of their argument was to say "nobody is 100% evil". It's a platitude that clarifies nothing and helps nobody. Everyone has a redeeming quality, so what? How does pointing out that nobody is 100% evil change the bigger picture? Does it offer any moral resolution, especially for the victims of their evil? > But now the lose this balance. Honestly I did not know what to make of this sentence
      - atonse 2y ago
        But neither does your dismissal of OP’s point help those people either. The damage has already been done. This is an internet comment thread at best. Understanding that people aren’t 100% evil also helps you understand “how are ANY of the locals around him ok with this guy being in charge?” Because it helps to see the next one coming.
slt2021 2y ago
>If the US was the only thing standing between order and chaos and they want chaos: give them chaos. hmmm US brought quite a bit of chaos with decades of forever wars. All refugees in Europe and US you see - all created by the USA's wars. The world indeed will only benefit if USA starts caring more about its own people and infrastructure, instead of toppling regimes halfway around the world
- renewiltord 2y ago
  Trump offered to stop funding Ukraine and apparently his act of greatest evil was to get out of a war.
  - dudefeliciano 2y ago
    That is really weird wording. How about this: trump wants to stop funding Ukraine and apparently his act of greatest evil is letting a democratic nation succumb to the russian totalitarian aggressor after 3 years of valiant resistance
    - renewiltord 2y ago
      I thought the refugees were because of the US’s forever wars. That’s fine. We can get out and the Europeans can clean up their own business.
dudefeliciano 2y ago
You are showing your biases and misinformation: > A fascinating thing has been discovering What is fascinating is that some people are cheering for the destruction of these institutions while a month ago they didn't even know they existed, while other people (or sometimes even those same people) depend on these institutions > single-handedly oof > Despite being cast as the villain Who are you talking about? Why do americans have this sense that everybody hates them? Is this american exceptionalism? > But America was asked to leave things alone As someone else pointed out, by who? (Putin) > give them chaos. Is it not clear yet, that america is bringing chaos upon itself?

itishappy 2y ago

> But America was asked to leave things alone By whom?

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croes 2y ago

The US are both, one hand chaos, one hand order. Remember Escobar payed for hospitals to be built. Nobody is 100% evil. But now the lose this balance.

dudefeliciano 2y ago
enlightened centrism really needs to be stopped, this "logic" helps nobody
- alexjplant 2y ago
  Your comment is logically fallacious. Instead of addressing the substance of their argument you attack a straw man because their opinion doesn't align with yours. The fact that it isn't one extreme or the other is of no consequence to its validity; your dislike for it is based strictly on its nuance, not whether it holds up, and that makes no sense. They even capitulated by saying > But now the lose this balance. and it still wasn't good enough for you. In case it isn't clear enough: I'm not defending "enlightened centrism" (whatever that is) so much as pointing out that your reasoning is flawed to the point of adding negative value to the discussion. Please review HN Guidelines [1], particularly the part about comments. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dudefeliciano 2y ago
    > Instead of addressing the substance of their argument you attack a straw man The substance of their argument was to say "nobody is 100% evil". It's a platitude that clarifies nothing and helps nobody. Everyone has a redeeming quality, so what? How does pointing out that nobody is 100% evil change the bigger picture? Does it offer any moral resolution, especially for the victims of their evil? > But now the lose this balance. Honestly I did not know what to make of this sentence
    - atonse 2y ago
      But neither does your dismissal of OP’s point help those people either. The damage has already been done. This is an internet comment thread at best. Understanding that people aren’t 100% evil also helps you understand “how are ANY of the locals around him ok with this guy being in charge?” Because it helps to see the next one coming.

slt2021 2y ago

>If the US was the only thing standing between order and chaos and they want chaos: give them chaos. hmmm US brought quite a bit of chaos with decades of forever wars. All refugees in Europe and US you see - all created by the USA's wars. The world indeed will only benefit if USA starts caring more about its own people and infrastructure, instead of toppling regimes halfway around the world

renewiltord 2y ago
Trump offered to stop funding Ukraine and apparently his act of greatest evil was to get out of a war.
- dudefeliciano 2y ago
  That is really weird wording. How about this: trump wants to stop funding Ukraine and apparently his act of greatest evil is letting a democratic nation succumb to the russian totalitarian aggressor after 3 years of valiant resistance
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    I thought the refugees were because of the US’s forever wars. That’s fine. We can get out and the Europeans can clean up their own business.

dudefeliciano 2y ago

You are showing your biases and misinformation: > A fascinating thing has been discovering What is fascinating is that some people are cheering for the destruction of these institutions while a month ago they didn't even know they existed, while other people (or sometimes even those same people) depend on these institutions > single-handedly oof > Despite being cast as the villain Who are you talking about? Why do americans have this sense that everybody hates them? Is this american exceptionalism? > But America was asked to leave things alone As someone else pointed out, by who? (Putin) > give them chaos. Is it not clear yet, that america is bringing chaos upon itself?