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What about Brave? I eas avoiding it for a long time for no reason while chrome was getting continually worse. Maybe it's time

wyclif 2y ago
It's time. People can complain that "oh it's based on Chromium" but I don't think that's the hill to die on right now.
- radlad 2y ago
  What makes Brave a better choice than Firefox? While it claims to be privacy-focused, it's developed by a VC-funded company, not a non-profit foundation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers...
  - superq 2y ago
    Mozilla now sells data, while Brave does not?
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - radlad 2y ago
      Does Mozilla sell your data, or did they remove language saying they won't? Do you really think Brave won't, when it comes time to pay the piper?
    - glenstein 2y ago
      Brave sells ads and discloses aggregate-level data to advertisers, and has a history of trust-undermining transgressions mentioned upthread: >installs VPN without asking, overriding links to insert referral codes, collecting donations for YouTubers without YouTubers even knowing about it, etc, etc
  - josephh 2y ago
    For the simple reason of not using Gecko
    - radlad 2y ago
      What's wrong with Gecko?
    - glenstein 2y ago
      I would think the logic runs exactly the opposite way. Browser diversification would make not using chromium the good thing, rather than not using gecko.
  - soundnote 2y ago
    Site isolation is one: Firefox doesn't sandbox websites from each other on non-Windows platforms, and even on Windows its sandboxing solution is just worse than Chromium's. They're doing work on implementing sandboxing more widely, mind, but still have a long road ahead of them to get to parity.
    - radlad 2y ago
      Firefox has had site isolation since 2021: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-site-isolation-in-firefox/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-sit...
      - soundnote 2y ago
        Yes, on desktop. Mobile Firefox still has none, though that should change within this year or the next.
- awnird 2y ago
  I think many people's issue with Brave is that it's a cryptocurrency grift, not that it's a Chromium reskin.
  - wyclif 2y ago
    Don't most Brave users have all the crypto functionality turned off or opted out?
graynk 2y ago
I would really like people to stop recommending Brave :( It may be an okay-ish browser, but the company behind it _repeatedly_ does shady things (installs VPN without asking, overriding links to insert referral codes, collecting donations for YouTubers without YouTubers even knowing about it, etc, etc), I am honestly not sure why people are OK with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers...
- 42772827 2y ago
  It’s so frustrating to me that the Brave boosters can’t seem to fathom that I don’t want a “better ad experience.” I want a /”no-ad experience.”/
  - someotherperson 2y ago
    It's equally frustrating to me that some people don't seem to realize that you can opt-out (once, at initial setup) and have a completely ad-free experience.
    - glenstein 2y ago
      It's the same kind of iterative creep of compromises on privacy that initially raised alarms with Mozilla, which culminated in Mozilla's "don't be evil" moment (or, their, erm, not-"don't be evil" moment).
    - account42 2y ago
      You can opt out now while they are trying to gain market share. Honestly everyone on here should know this game by now. There is no such thing as "free" product made by a for-profit corporation.
  - soundnote 2y ago
    That's what a lot of us have. Brave's own ad systems are opt-in, and a majority of users don't opt-in. It's a minority that are interested in the crypto features. I just left the crypto stuff off, hid the icons and have a degoogled Chromium with strong adblock and some nice quality of life extras.
SllX 2y ago
I stopped using Brave a couple of years ago when I switched to Arc and I have since switched from Arc to Orion. I didn’t have any issues with at the time even though it was not my default; it made a nice enough fallback Chromium-based browser for the very few times that mattered. I just turned off all the crypto-crap, and regular reviews of the settings didn’t reveal them to be turning on anything I already disabled. If Brave works for you, go for it.

wyclif 2y ago

It's time. People can complain that "oh it's based on Chromium" but I don't think that's the hill to die on right now.

radlad 2y ago
What makes Brave a better choice than Firefox? While it claims to be privacy-focused, it's developed by a VC-funded company, not a non-profit foundation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers...
- superq 2y ago
  Mozilla now sells data, while Brave does not?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - radlad 2y ago
    Does Mozilla sell your data, or did they remove language saying they won't? Do you really think Brave won't, when it comes time to pay the piper?
  - glenstein 2y ago
    Brave sells ads and discloses aggregate-level data to advertisers, and has a history of trust-undermining transgressions mentioned upthread: >installs VPN without asking, overriding links to insert referral codes, collecting donations for YouTubers without YouTubers even knowing about it, etc, etc
- josephh 2y ago
  For the simple reason of not using Gecko
  - radlad 2y ago
    What's wrong with Gecko?
  - glenstein 2y ago
    I would think the logic runs exactly the opposite way. Browser diversification would make not using chromium the good thing, rather than not using gecko.
- soundnote 2y ago
  Site isolation is one: Firefox doesn't sandbox websites from each other on non-Windows platforms, and even on Windows its sandboxing solution is just worse than Chromium's. They're doing work on implementing sandboxing more widely, mind, but still have a long road ahead of them to get to parity.
  - radlad 2y ago
    Firefox has had site isolation since 2021: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-site-isolation-in-firefox/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-sit...
    - soundnote 2y ago
      Yes, on desktop. Mobile Firefox still has none, though that should change within this year or the next.
awnird 2y ago
I think many people's issue with Brave is that it's a cryptocurrency grift, not that it's a Chromium reskin.
- wyclif 2y ago
  Don't most Brave users have all the crypto functionality turned off or opted out?

graynk 2y ago

I would really like people to stop recommending Brave :( It may be an okay-ish browser, but the company behind it _repeatedly_ does shady things (installs VPN without asking, overriding links to insert referral codes, collecting donations for YouTubers without YouTubers even knowing about it, etc, etc), I am honestly not sure why people are OK with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers...

42772827 2y ago
It’s so frustrating to me that the Brave boosters can’t seem to fathom that I don’t want a “better ad experience.” I want a /”no-ad experience.”/
- someotherperson 2y ago
  It's equally frustrating to me that some people don't seem to realize that you can opt-out (once, at initial setup) and have a completely ad-free experience.
  - glenstein 2y ago
    It's the same kind of iterative creep of compromises on privacy that initially raised alarms with Mozilla, which culminated in Mozilla's "don't be evil" moment (or, their, erm, not-"don't be evil" moment).
  - account42 2y ago
    You can opt out now while they are trying to gain market share. Honestly everyone on here should know this game by now. There is no such thing as "free" product made by a for-profit corporation.
- soundnote 2y ago
  That's what a lot of us have. Brave's own ad systems are opt-in, and a majority of users don't opt-in. It's a minority that are interested in the crypto features. I just left the crypto stuff off, hid the icons and have a degoogled Chromium with strong adblock and some nice quality of life extras.

SllX 2y ago

I stopped using Brave a couple of years ago when I switched to Arc and I have since switched from Arc to Orion. I didn’t have any issues with at the time even though it was not my default; it made a nice enough fallback Chromium-based browser for the very few times that mattered. I just turned off all the crypto-crap, and regular reviews of the settings didn’t reveal them to be turning on anything I already disabled. If Brave works for you, go for it.