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> I'm more offended by the idea that we should sit quiet and not do anything just because the status quo set up the rules in their favor. Let's do something th

> I'm more offended by the idea that we should sit quiet and not do anything just because the status quo set up the rules in their favor. Let's do something then. You lead the way and I'll follow.

consumer451 2y ago
My personal Spotify alternative is KEXP, KCRW human DJs -> Bandcamp purchases. If anyone else could share any other radio stations who still have living human disc jockeys, I would love to check them out. DJs are an amazing resource which should be cherished. https://kexp.org https://kexp.org https://www.kcrw.com/music https://www.kcrw.com/music I mean come on, this is all amazing. Forget the music recommendation machine algos: https://www.kcrw.com/music/articles/pachyman-samia-steel-wool-grrl-made-of-oak-tim-hecker https://www.kcrw.com/music/articles/pachyman-samia-steel-woo... The next logical step is for one of us to make a Spotify clone which leverages these human DJs, and gives credit with links to station and artist Bandcamp. https://claude.ai/share/7c277bf6-eb65-4148-979d-f76ee6027fb0 https://claude.ai/share/7c277bf6-eb65-4148-979d-f76ee6027fb0
- icameron 2y ago
  Sure my share for knowledge live human DJs (about 75% of the time- they also have a few talk shows) is https://www.xray.fm/ https://www.xray.fm/
GlacierFox 2y ago
No see that's where their ideals fall apart. They want YOU to lead the way. Go on lead the way, I'll follow.
- rglullis 2y ago
  I don't make any moral judgement unless I have Skin In The Game. In this particular case, you can follow me by joining the Communick Collective and pledging $20/month. Is that ok? [0] : https://blog.communick.com/communick-collective-a-zero-commission-crowdfunding-platform-to-support-content-creators-in-the-fediverse/ https://blog.communick.com/communick-collective-a-zero-commi...
__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
Here's a direction we could take: Content distribution should be decoupled from content attribution & payment. If I have a collection of torrented music, I should be able to play it in a way that looks up who deserves to be paid for it, and aggregates that data such that at the end of the month, the artist gets paid. Let's build it and get a bunch of people using it and show the world that the pirates are willing to pay the artists more than Spotify is. At such a point, why wouldn't everyone avast payments to Spotify and hoist the jolly roger in the name of paying artists more? If someone lead in that direction, would you follow? Would you use the player that made the payments happen? Would you seed the torrents that made the player work?
- rglullis 2y ago
  Let's just get rid of the idea that we should pay to listen any song. I don't want to have my listening habits quantified or used as a proxy for how much any work of art is worth to me. We can make this super simple: we can still keep the subscription model, we just need to change the revenue sharing system. Let's just charge a base monthly fee for the streaming service itself (say $1/month) and let's add a monthly "pay what you want" amount where 100% of the value goes specifically to the artists you choose. So, let's say that I pledge to give $10/month, and I spread that around some 10-15 artists, This means that 90% of the money I am putting into the system is going to the artists. Someone wants to give $20/month, it would mean 95% of the money going to the "right" hands. We wouldn't have to argue about what the "right" hands are because that is defined directly by the people voting with their wallets.
  - __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
    Oh sure, I wasn't trying to propose that the coupling of usage to payment be mandatory. It's just that that's the setting I'd use because manually adjusting my payment settings sounds like work to me. I'm just saying that paying the artist and handling the bits are totally separate things and if we want to challenge the existing model we should use something that decouples them in a way that demonstrates that the bad deal that artists are getting from Spotify is not the only option.

> I'm more offended by the idea that we should sit quiet and not do anything just because the status quo set up the rules in their favor. Let's do something then. You lead the way and I'll follow.

consumer451 2y ago

My personal Spotify alternative is KEXP, KCRW human DJs -> Bandcamp purchases. If anyone else could share any other radio stations who still have living human disc jockeys, I would love to check them out. DJs are an amazing resource which should be cherished. https://kexp.org https://kexp.org https://www.kcrw.com/music https://www.kcrw.com/music I mean come on, this is all amazing. Forget the music recommendation machine algos: https://www.kcrw.com/music/articles/pachyman-samia-steel-wool-grrl-made-of-oak-tim-hecker https://www.kcrw.com/music/articles/pachyman-samia-steel-woo... The next logical step is for one of us to make a Spotify clone which leverages these human DJs, and gives credit with links to station and artist Bandcamp. https://claude.ai/share/7c277bf6-eb65-4148-979d-f76ee6027fb0 https://claude.ai/share/7c277bf6-eb65-4148-979d-f76ee6027fb0

icameron 2y ago
Sure my share for knowledge live human DJs (about 75% of the time- they also have a few talk shows) is https://www.xray.fm/ https://www.xray.fm/

GlacierFox 2y ago

No see that's where their ideals fall apart. They want YOU to lead the way. Go on lead the way, I'll follow.

rglullis 2y ago
I don't make any moral judgement unless I have Skin In The Game. In this particular case, you can follow me by joining the Communick Collective and pledging $20/month. Is that ok? [0] : https://blog.communick.com/communick-collective-a-zero-commission-crowdfunding-platform-to-support-content-creators-in-the-fediverse/ https://blog.communick.com/communick-collective-a-zero-commi...

__MatrixMan__ 2y ago

Here's a direction we could take: Content distribution should be decoupled from content attribution & payment. If I have a collection of torrented music, I should be able to play it in a way that looks up who deserves to be paid for it, and aggregates that data such that at the end of the month, the artist gets paid. Let's build it and get a bunch of people using it and show the world that the pirates are willing to pay the artists more than Spotify is. At such a point, why wouldn't everyone avast payments to Spotify and hoist the jolly roger in the name of paying artists more? If someone lead in that direction, would you follow? Would you use the player that made the payments happen? Would you seed the torrents that made the player work?

rglullis 2y ago
Let's just get rid of the idea that we should pay to listen any song. I don't want to have my listening habits quantified or used as a proxy for how much any work of art is worth to me. We can make this super simple: we can still keep the subscription model, we just need to change the revenue sharing system. Let's just charge a base monthly fee for the streaming service itself (say $1/month) and let's add a monthly "pay what you want" amount where 100% of the value goes specifically to the artists you choose. So, let's say that I pledge to give $10/month, and I spread that around some 10-15 artists, This means that 90% of the money I am putting into the system is going to the artists. Someone wants to give $20/month, it would mean 95% of the money going to the "right" hands. We wouldn't have to argue about what the "right" hands are because that is defined directly by the people voting with their wallets.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
  Oh sure, I wasn't trying to propose that the coupling of usage to payment be mandatory. It's just that that's the setting I'd use because manually adjusting my payment settings sounds like work to me. I'm just saying that paying the artist and handling the bits are totally separate things and if we want to challenge the existing model we should use something that decouples them in a way that demonstrates that the bad deal that artists are getting from Spotify is not the only option.