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> That's pretty much the equivalent. No, it isn't. Your example is not analogous at all. No one wanting to sideload is talking about blaming Apple for anythin

> That's pretty much the equivalent. No, it isn't. Your example is not analogous at all. No one wanting to sideload is talking about blaming Apple for anything, this is purely an invented argument because your excuse of vulnerable family members doesn't hold up. > You hackers already have hundreds of Linux distros that are destroyed-on-deilvery because of the endless tinkering and programmer-first mindset. There's Android, Windows, and a plethora of other systems for you. Irrelevant. An iPhone is a computer, a far more general purpose computer as opposed to something like a playstation (although I believe that should be open enough that people can put Linux on it as with the PS3). It's simply unacceptable that a manufacturer dictates the code we can run on hardware we paid for. That's it. > Why can't we have at least one computer (Mac) and one phone (iPhone) that is not destroyed by FOSS and corporate people Giving people extra freedom isn't 'destroying' anything. Your concerns are incredibly misplaced. > and is actually useful for normal people who want to get things done? Your iPhone won't be any less useful if people can sideload apps on it. Your concerns are incredibly misplaced. > I don't get it. Why don't you direct your efforts into fixing Linux or Android? Then you wouldn't have to think about Apple and their devices. People are not just randomly wanting to tinker, they want to get full functionality out of the hardware they already paid for.

carlosjobim 2y ago
> hardware we paid for. > the hardware they already paid for. There's no rule saying you are only allowed to have one piece of hardware. You can also buy an Android phone for cheap for your uses where you find iOS lacking. There is always an assumption here on HN that you are only allowed one of anything, and that you have to stick to that for life. Whether that is software or hardware. I have Android devices and Apple devices, because even though Android is destroyed as an operating system, there are some hardware features that Apple doesn't offer. I assume you've already heard the argument that nobody is forced to buy Apple hardware, so I'll skip that. Just remember that you can have two phones if you want, or as many as you please.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > There's no rule saying you are only allowed to have one piece of hardware. You can also buy an Android phone for cheap for your uses where you find iOS lacking. I. Don't. Care. If I have an iPhone, I should have the right to run whatever the hell I want on it. I own it. That I can buy other phones is completely irrelevant - the point is all hardware for devices like this should be unrestricted to the consumer, period. You've yet to give a convincing counter-argument as to why. So far your attempts have consisted of: - My naive family member might be tricked - Claiming allowing sideloading will ruin the platform for 'normal' people - Now claiming it's not an issue because I can buy an alternative Do you have any argument that can actually defend why someone shouldn't be able to put whatever OS or apps they want on a computer they bought?
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    > I. Don't. Care. What are you going to do about it? Are you going to kick Tim Cook's ass? > - My naive family member might be tricked That was probably somebody else, I didn't say that. > - Claiming allowing sideloading will ruin the platform for 'normal' people The proof is in the pudding: Every other platform is destroyed, because they are made chiefly for corporate and for programmers. Since there is one platform that is actually good, among hundreds of alternatives, they probably know what they're doing and should continue doing that. > Do you have any argument that can actually defend why someone shouldn't be able to put whatever OS or apps they want on a computer they bought? You can put whatever OS or apps on any device from Apple, if you have the skills. If not, buy something else. Or try to kick Tim Cook in the ass.
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      > What are you going to do about it? Are you going to kick Tim Cook's ass? No, just wait for the EU to force Apple to do something since the US is too busy failing at more basic things. This is also a really weird response. I was just pointing out your previous reply was a red herring, not any kind of actual argument. > That was probably somebody else, I didn't say that. Nah, it was you, right here[1] where you said "A big part of the reason I use Apple products is that they protect not only me, but my family who don't know what the implications of sideloading are." > The proof is in the pudding: Every other platform is destroyed Far from it. What a ridiculous claim. > You can put whatever OS or apps on any device from Apple, if you have the skills. No, because Apple makes it too hard. There has to be a specific kind of vulnerability and there isn't always. > Or try to kick Tim Cook in the ass. Or root for the EU. And honestly users like you are more of a problem than Cook will ever be. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200668 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200668

carlosjobim 2y ago

> hardware we paid for. > the hardware they already paid for. There's no rule saying you are only allowed to have one piece of hardware. You can also buy an Android phone for cheap for your uses where you find iOS lacking. There is always an assumption here on HN that you are only allowed one of anything, and that you have to stick to that for life. Whether that is software or hardware. I have Android devices and Apple devices, because even though Android is destroyed as an operating system, there are some hardware features that Apple doesn't offer. I assume you've already heard the argument that nobody is forced to buy Apple hardware, so I'll skip that. Just remember that you can have two phones if you want, or as many as you please.

kennysoona 2y ago
> There's no rule saying you are only allowed to have one piece of hardware. You can also buy an Android phone for cheap for your uses where you find iOS lacking. I. Don't. Care. If I have an iPhone, I should have the right to run whatever the hell I want on it. I own it. That I can buy other phones is completely irrelevant - the point is all hardware for devices like this should be unrestricted to the consumer, period. You've yet to give a convincing counter-argument as to why. So far your attempts have consisted of: - My naive family member might be tricked - Claiming allowing sideloading will ruin the platform for 'normal' people - Now claiming it's not an issue because I can buy an alternative Do you have any argument that can actually defend why someone shouldn't be able to put whatever OS or apps they want on a computer they bought?
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  > I. Don't. Care. What are you going to do about it? Are you going to kick Tim Cook's ass? > - My naive family member might be tricked That was probably somebody else, I didn't say that. > - Claiming allowing sideloading will ruin the platform for 'normal' people The proof is in the pudding: Every other platform is destroyed, because they are made chiefly for corporate and for programmers. Since there is one platform that is actually good, among hundreds of alternatives, they probably know what they're doing and should continue doing that. > Do you have any argument that can actually defend why someone shouldn't be able to put whatever OS or apps they want on a computer they bought? You can put whatever OS or apps on any device from Apple, if you have the skills. If not, buy something else. Or try to kick Tim Cook in the ass.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    > What are you going to do about it? Are you going to kick Tim Cook's ass? No, just wait for the EU to force Apple to do something since the US is too busy failing at more basic things. This is also a really weird response. I was just pointing out your previous reply was a red herring, not any kind of actual argument. > That was probably somebody else, I didn't say that. Nah, it was you, right here[1] where you said "A big part of the reason I use Apple products is that they protect not only me, but my family who don't know what the implications of sideloading are." > The proof is in the pudding: Every other platform is destroyed Far from it. What a ridiculous claim. > You can put whatever OS or apps on any device from Apple, if you have the skills. No, because Apple makes it too hard. There has to be a specific kind of vulnerability and there isn't always. > Or try to kick Tim Cook in the ass. Or root for the EU. And honestly users like you are more of a problem than Cook will ever be. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200668 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200668