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Just use https://librewolf.net https://librewolf.net

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
So: # apt install librewolf Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package librewolf If the thing that doesn't suck isn't the thing that comes with the OS, it's time to fix the OS. Also, that feature should exist. The next time I see a story about MS training ChatGPT on your nude selfies, I want to be able to show people the big red switch that says "All Telemetry: OFF" as an example of something Microsoft will never give them. But you first have to provide it in order to show to them that you provide it.
- rasmus-kirk 2y ago
  Apt is basically just a bad package manager: nix run nixpkgs#librewolf But I do agree, it's hard to find these alternatives, and have them be "just works". Librewolf still sometimes have weird issues (for good reasons!), but it means I don't recommend it to "normies". I just tell them to use firefox and most importantly adblock, giving up ads is a huge ROI both in terms of quality of life and data privacy. Everything else is almost marginal in comparison.
  - blueflow 2y ago
    Apt being a bad package manager is not related to the selection of packages that Debian ships or doesn't.
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  That is a distro problem not a software problem. Librewolf is available as a flatpak meaning on every Linux desktop distro. https://flathub.org/apps/io.gitlab.librewolf-community https://flathub.org/apps/io.gitlab.librewolf-community If you want to be pendantic again: apt -y install flatpak && flatpak install io.gitlab.librewolf-community
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    It is possible to improve the distribution and that is the thing being requested.
    - akimbostrawman 2y ago
      If you want to improve the distro go ahead. But it's fantasy that every distro will support every software => flatpak
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        The suggestion is not for all distributions to support all applications, it's for Debian to support system-wide disabling of telemetry in the software it does support.
        akimbostrawman 2y ago
        They could compile Firefox with telemetry disabled however i would not trust those settings since even with that Firefox does plenty of unsolicited phoning home and has a lot of bloat.
      - account42 2y ago
        I prefer to have a trusted third party (the distro) vetting updates to the software I install. But if you have the time and capability to vet all patches yourself then sure, you can use flatpak.
mFixman 2y ago
Why Librewolf and not Waterfox or any other open source fork?
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  because I don't think a tiny browser fork that moves too far from the original is maintainable and secure long term. even someone of microsofts size seems to think so. librewolf is mostly config changes and couple small patches removing superficial anti-feature like pocket.

So: # apt install librewolf Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package librewolf If the thing that doesn't suck isn't the thing that comes with the OS, it's time to fix the OS. Also, that feature should exist. The next time I see a story about MS training ChatGPT on your nude selfies, I want to be able to show people the big red switch that says "All Telemetry: OFF" as an example of something Microsoft will never give them. But you first have to provide it in order to show to them that you provide it.

rasmus-kirk 2y ago
Apt is basically just a bad package manager: nix run nixpkgs#librewolf But I do agree, it's hard to find these alternatives, and have them be "just works". Librewolf still sometimes have weird issues (for good reasons!), but it means I don't recommend it to "normies". I just tell them to use firefox and most importantly adblock, giving up ads is a huge ROI both in terms of quality of life and data privacy. Everything else is almost marginal in comparison.
- blueflow 2y ago
  Apt being a bad package manager is not related to the selection of packages that Debian ships or doesn't.
akimbostrawman 2y ago
That is a distro problem not a software problem. Librewolf is available as a flatpak meaning on every Linux desktop distro. https://flathub.org/apps/io.gitlab.librewolf-community https://flathub.org/apps/io.gitlab.librewolf-community If you want to be pendantic again: apt -y install flatpak && flatpak install io.gitlab.librewolf-community
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  It is possible to improve the distribution and that is the thing being requested.
  - akimbostrawman 2y ago
    If you want to improve the distro go ahead. But it's fantasy that every distro will support every software => flatpak
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      The suggestion is not for all distributions to support all applications, it's for Debian to support system-wide disabling of telemetry in the software it does support.
      - akimbostrawman 2y ago
        They could compile Firefox with telemetry disabled however i would not trust those settings since even with that Firefox does plenty of unsolicited phoning home and has a lot of bloat.
    - account42 2y ago
      I prefer to have a trusted third party (the distro) vetting updates to the software I install. But if you have the time and capability to vet all patches yourself then sure, you can use flatpak.

mFixman 2y ago

Why Librewolf and not Waterfox or any other open source fork?

akimbostrawman 2y ago
because I don't think a tiny browser fork that moves too far from the original is maintainable and secure long term. even someone of microsofts size seems to think so. librewolf is mostly config changes and couple small patches removing superficial anti-feature like pocket.