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Their CEO made some comments in support of Trump. https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/ https://theintercept.com/2025/01/2

Their CEO made some comments in support of Trump. https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/ https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru...

milesrout 2y ago
Ah yes. Everything I don't like is fascism. Ironically, we told you all for years that if you abused terms like fascist, Nazi, racist, etc then they would lose their power and their impact and people would ignore them in future. You were warned what would happen if you cried wolf.
- anonymous_user9 2y ago
  Sometimes there actually is a wolf, though. MAGA is a right-wing political movement that: -seeks to return the nation to a mythical superior past, by -empowering an extraordinary leader who represents the will of the people, in order to -expel inferior/unworthy ethnicities, and -expunge left/“Marxist” influences from art and culture. These are all characteristics of Fascism specifically, not the authoritarian actions that people casually call fascist.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    > expel inferior/unworthy ethnicities Is this happening? Or a stated goal? I know they're deporting people who aren't here legally (that's a whole other debate), but I'm not aware of them actively targeting anyone based on race of ethnicity regardless of their legal status.
    - ichicoro 2y ago
      I don't know, is it? The US has had Trump as POTUS for four weeks and he's already doing a lot of what was "promised" in [Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)...
    - blactuary 2y ago
      Yes, they are currently targeting Venezuelans and Haitians who have legal status
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        I know trump was already saying shitty things about Haitians before he was even sworn in. Have they had ICE rounding up and deporting people who are actually here legally?
        blactuary 2y ago
        They are working on cancelling their legal status. We have allowed Haitian migration because of the incompetence and corruption down there (and our role in a lot of that in the past)
        DoodahMan 2y ago
        That already happened. The Biden/Harris admin quietly did not renew their TPS status while the "eating the pets" nonsense was in the news. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/05/politics/biden-administration-immigration-nicaragua-cuba-venezuela-haiti/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/05/politics/biden-administration...
        _heimdall 2y ago
        If they go through the legal process and revoke or cancel status in a way that courts agree is within their legal authority, I'm not sure what they would have done wrong there. Morally I'd take huge issue with it, but we have allowed such a complex web of laws and authorities that we can't really complain when an elected official does what they want by the book. Now if they go off script and act outside the law, that's a whole other story.
    - officeplant 2y ago
      https://www.reuters.com/world/us/native-americans-say-tribal-members-harassed-by-immigration-agents-2025-01-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/native-americans-say-tribal... There has also been posts from schools in Texas recommending kids on field trips keep legal documentation on them because ICE is stopping school buses for investigations. https://www.newsweek.com/texas-school-district-bus-immigration-enforcement-2027086 https://www.newsweek.com/texas-school-district-bus-immigrati... At what point do you pull your head out of the sand and stare into reality.
  - milesrout 2y ago
    The boy who cried wolf is only a meaningful story because he is eventually eaten by a wolf. However, your third point is a bit breathless. They aren't expelling anyone based on ethnicity. They want to deport illegal aliens. It isn't their fault so many of those aliens are from one country. The Nazis were expelling and killing Jews that had been in Europe for centuries lawfully. And, yknow, the whole killing them thing! The human experiments. The slave labour camps. You are forgetting that fascist regimes go to war with their neighbours for territory, ignore the law, suspend democracy and have secret police to enforce political orthodoxy. Trump is an isolationist and he hasn't done any of the rest, yet at least. Also don't forget that for all the stick Trump gets about immigration, all the Democratic presidents I can remember claim that they want to control the border too, and claim they can do so better. Hardly illustrative of fascism...
    - 20after4 2y ago
      What about threatening to annex Canada and Greenland, eliminating birthright citizenship or expanding the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp?
    - TheLegace 2y ago
      Yes, ask any Canadian how they feel about their sovereignty right now. Let me know how the Riviera in Gaza is going to work out and enjoy that vacation in the Gulf of America. Do you remember when Solemeni got assassinated. I also hope your not what he calls "vermin" and end up in Guantanamo Bay. Just because they're so dumb and incompetent and incapable of accomplishing their goals(at this moment) doesn't make a spade a spade. Honestly I am not even surprised by this anymore your post describes exactly why fascism takes root, just endless justification of authoritarianism.
      - milesrout 2y ago
        There is no threat towards Canadian sovereignty obviously. The Riviera in Gaza would be a lot better than the current situation in which its biggest industry is exporting rockets into Israel. Also not territorial expansion as Gaza isn't a neighbour. Imperialism? Yes. But look at the world. It functioned much better in most places when imperial powers controlled more of it. That isn't an excuse for them to invade each other, which never ended well. Also he is just using it as a negotiating tactic with Jordan and Egypt obviously. Changing the name of some water isn't territorial expansion or authoritarianism. Solemeni was a terrorist. A dead terrorist is a good terrorist. If you attack a sovereign country then you should expect to be targeted. Fuck around? Find out. Obama closed Gitmo. He promised to, remember, so he must have. And he withdrew from Afghanistan, remember? He said so in between claiming that marriage was only between a man and a woman. What a hero of the left. Feel free to tell me I am wrong when I actually am instead of just when your imagination runs wild and you see "authoritarianism" in your cereal. Killing terrorists is authoritarianism lol. And drone striking children isn't?
- Neonlicht 2y ago
  Actually I think the message that people should get is that folks LIKE fascism. Germans loved Hitler until Stalingrad.
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Their CEO made some comments in support of Trump. https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/ https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru...

milesrout 2y ago

Ah yes. Everything I don't like is fascism. Ironically, we told you all for years that if you abused terms like fascist, Nazi, racist, etc then they would lose their power and their impact and people would ignore them in future. You were warned what would happen if you cried wolf.

anonymous_user9 2y ago
Sometimes there actually is a wolf, though. MAGA is a right-wing political movement that: -seeks to return the nation to a mythical superior past, by -empowering an extraordinary leader who represents the will of the people, in order to -expel inferior/unworthy ethnicities, and -expunge left/“Marxist” influences from art and culture. These are all characteristics of Fascism specifically, not the authoritarian actions that people casually call fascist.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  > expel inferior/unworthy ethnicities Is this happening? Or a stated goal? I know they're deporting people who aren't here legally (that's a whole other debate), but I'm not aware of them actively targeting anyone based on race of ethnicity regardless of their legal status.
  - ichicoro 2y ago
    I don't know, is it? The US has had Trump as POTUS for four weeks and he's already doing a lot of what was "promised" in [Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)...
  - blactuary 2y ago
    Yes, they are currently targeting Venezuelans and Haitians who have legal status
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      I know trump was already saying shitty things about Haitians before he was even sworn in. Have they had ICE rounding up and deporting people who are actually here legally?
      - blactuary 2y ago
        They are working on cancelling their legal status. We have allowed Haitian migration because of the incompetence and corruption down there (and our role in a lot of that in the past)
        DoodahMan 2y ago
        That already happened. The Biden/Harris admin quietly did not renew their TPS status while the "eating the pets" nonsense was in the news. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/05/politics/biden-administration-immigration-nicaragua-cuba-venezuela-haiti/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/05/politics/biden-administration...
        _heimdall 2y ago
        If they go through the legal process and revoke or cancel status in a way that courts agree is within their legal authority, I'm not sure what they would have done wrong there. Morally I'd take huge issue with it, but we have allowed such a complex web of laws and authorities that we can't really complain when an elected official does what they want by the book. Now if they go off script and act outside the law, that's a whole other story.
  - officeplant 2y ago
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/native-americans-say-tribal-members-harassed-by-immigration-agents-2025-01-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/native-americans-say-tribal... There has also been posts from schools in Texas recommending kids on field trips keep legal documentation on them because ICE is stopping school buses for investigations. https://www.newsweek.com/texas-school-district-bus-immigration-enforcement-2027086 https://www.newsweek.com/texas-school-district-bus-immigrati... At what point do you pull your head out of the sand and stare into reality.
- milesrout 2y ago
  The boy who cried wolf is only a meaningful story because he is eventually eaten by a wolf. However, your third point is a bit breathless. They aren't expelling anyone based on ethnicity. They want to deport illegal aliens. It isn't their fault so many of those aliens are from one country. The Nazis were expelling and killing Jews that had been in Europe for centuries lawfully. And, yknow, the whole killing them thing! The human experiments. The slave labour camps. You are forgetting that fascist regimes go to war with their neighbours for territory, ignore the law, suspend democracy and have secret police to enforce political orthodoxy. Trump is an isolationist and he hasn't done any of the rest, yet at least. Also don't forget that for all the stick Trump gets about immigration, all the Democratic presidents I can remember claim that they want to control the border too, and claim they can do so better. Hardly illustrative of fascism...
  - 20after4 2y ago
    What about threatening to annex Canada and Greenland, eliminating birthright citizenship or expanding the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp?
  - TheLegace 2y ago
    Yes, ask any Canadian how they feel about their sovereignty right now. Let me know how the Riviera in Gaza is going to work out and enjoy that vacation in the Gulf of America. Do you remember when Solemeni got assassinated. I also hope your not what he calls "vermin" and end up in Guantanamo Bay. Just because they're so dumb and incompetent and incapable of accomplishing their goals(at this moment) doesn't make a spade a spade. Honestly I am not even surprised by this anymore your post describes exactly why fascism takes root, just endless justification of authoritarianism.
    - milesrout 2y ago
      There is no threat towards Canadian sovereignty obviously. The Riviera in Gaza would be a lot better than the current situation in which its biggest industry is exporting rockets into Israel. Also not territorial expansion as Gaza isn't a neighbour. Imperialism? Yes. But look at the world. It functioned much better in most places when imperial powers controlled more of it. That isn't an excuse for them to invade each other, which never ended well. Also he is just using it as a negotiating tactic with Jordan and Egypt obviously. Changing the name of some water isn't territorial expansion or authoritarianism. Solemeni was a terrorist. A dead terrorist is a good terrorist. If you attack a sovereign country then you should expect to be targeted. Fuck around? Find out. Obama closed Gitmo. He promised to, remember, so he must have. And he withdrew from Afghanistan, remember? He said so in between claiming that marriage was only between a man and a woman. What a hero of the left. Feel free to tell me I am wrong when I actually am instead of just when your imagination runs wild and you see "authoritarianism" in your cereal. Killing terrorists is authoritarianism lol. And drone striking children isn't?
Neonlicht 2y ago
Actually I think the message that people should get is that folks LIKE fascism. Germans loved Hitler until Stalingrad.

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