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Funny to read this: > So there are only 2 web browser engines, and it seems likely there will soon only be 1, and making a whole new web browser from the groun

by skerit 2y ago

Funny to read this: > So there are only 2 web browser engines, and it seems likely there will soon only be 1, and making a whole new web browser from the ground up is effectively impossible because the browsers vendors have weaponized web standards complexity against any newcomers Ladybird seems to be thriving. Sure, they themselves only plan on releasing a beta version next year, but still. And it's even on the Hacker News frontpage right now! https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird

aredox 2y ago
What is ladybug's marketshare? Does it work flawlessly with "This webpage works better with Chrome" webpages? It is not even mentioned on https://caniuse.com/?search=web%20components https://caniuse.com/?search=web%20components
- ahmedfromtunis 2y ago
  I spend a lot of time on the internet and try to avoid the socials, so I visit a healthy variety of websites of all kinds. But I never encountered a single "works better with chrome" message. Am I missing something?
  - csomar 2y ago
    It was a thing before Chrome/WebKit became the "only" browser. People mention Firefox but last time I checked its market share is in the single digit.
    - ncruces 2y ago
      People complain about Google killing projects that have only a few hundred million users, but then claim Firefox is dead at single digit market share because that's… 150 million users.
  - JimDabell 2y ago
    I see those messages all the time on Google websites and web apps.
- kreddor 2y ago
  It's not really meant for end users currently. Your only option is to build from source. But it has made a lot of progress in a relatively short time.
  - aredox 2y ago
    >But it has made a lot of progress in a relatively short time. That's always the case at the beginning. And then it stalls. That's exactly the gripe with fast-moving web standards: the churn kills browser diversity by exhaustion.
- lukan 2y ago
  "Does it work flawlessly" "they themselves only plan on releasing a beta version next year"
- jillesvangurp 2y ago
  What's internet explorer's market share? Answer: way less than a percent at this point because current market shares are no guarantee about future ones. Chrome is the new Internet Explorer. It successfully replaced it. Only to start sharing most of the qualities that were the reason for Internet Explorer to fail in the market. And there was a web before Internet Explorer as well. Chrome once started at 0% market share. Displacing the dominant browser has been done before. It can be done again. Web pages that only worked with Internet Explorer did not age very well. Companies ended up spending a lot on needing to replace those. Making a webapp that only works with Chrome is at this point seriously misguided. If only for the simple reason that you can forget about IOS compatibility if you do (as long as Apple keeps a death grip on the app stores, there will be no chromium based HTML rendering on IOS).
  - aredox 2y ago
    >Displacing the dominant browser has been done before. It can be done again. Why? You skim over all the things that make the present and the future different from the past. The size of the audience is not the same, the size of companies and engineering teams is not the same, the hatred against Microsft was always sky-high... It is not the same battle , it is not even the same battlefield.

by skerit 2y ago

aredox 2y ago

What is ladybug's marketshare? Does it work flawlessly with "This webpage works better with Chrome" webpages? It is not even mentioned on https://caniuse.com/?search=web%20components https://caniuse.com/?search=web%20components

ahmedfromtunis 2y ago
I spend a lot of time on the internet and try to avoid the socials, so I visit a healthy variety of websites of all kinds. But I never encountered a single "works better with chrome" message. Am I missing something?
- csomar 2y ago
  It was a thing before Chrome/WebKit became the "only" browser. People mention Firefox but last time I checked its market share is in the single digit.
  - ncruces 2y ago
    People complain about Google killing projects that have only a few hundred million users, but then claim Firefox is dead at single digit market share because that's… 150 million users.
- JimDabell 2y ago
  I see those messages all the time on Google websites and web apps.
kreddor 2y ago
It's not really meant for end users currently. Your only option is to build from source. But it has made a lot of progress in a relatively short time.
- aredox 2y ago
  >But it has made a lot of progress in a relatively short time. That's always the case at the beginning. And then it stalls. That's exactly the gripe with fast-moving web standards: the churn kills browser diversity by exhaustion.
lukan 2y ago
"Does it work flawlessly" "they themselves only plan on releasing a beta version next year"
jillesvangurp 2y ago
What's internet explorer's market share? Answer: way less than a percent at this point because current market shares are no guarantee about future ones. Chrome is the new Internet Explorer. It successfully replaced it. Only to start sharing most of the qualities that were the reason for Internet Explorer to fail in the market. And there was a web before Internet Explorer as well. Chrome once started at 0% market share. Displacing the dominant browser has been done before. It can be done again. Web pages that only worked with Internet Explorer did not age very well. Companies ended up spending a lot on needing to replace those. Making a webapp that only works with Chrome is at this point seriously misguided. If only for the simple reason that you can forget about IOS compatibility if you do (as long as Apple keeps a death grip on the app stores, there will be no chromium based HTML rendering on IOS).
- aredox 2y ago
  >Displacing the dominant browser has been done before. It can be done again. Why? You skim over all the things that make the present and the future different from the past. The size of the audience is not the same, the size of companies and engineering teams is not the same, the hatred against Microsft was always sky-high... It is not the same battle , it is not even the same battlefield.