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Loved my yellow Lumia 920. I thought the panels and scrolling start screen was much better (concurrently used Android and iOS at that time). Just like with Zun

Loved my yellow Lumia 920. I thought the panels and scrolling start screen was much better (concurrently used Android and iOS at that time). Just like with Zune, it was not part of MS strategy and therefor dropped. You need to keep working on something like this for years to make it successful. Large companies though drop products that are not a huge success after two years, associated with such products is a career killer. [Edit] I got the Lumia to decide as a CTO at that time if we would go into Windows phones or not. I asked for more Lumias and XBox (to show cross plattform eCommerce) from MS to evangelize inside the company, but was let hung dry. So we did not support Windows phones. They never went full in.

tonyhart7 2y ago
absolutely the fact they just give out on hardware side eg:nokia,surface device,zune,vr headset etc is just disappointing I think this is about company culture as a whole too, MS only know how to make software this is same problem with google too, with pixel device is very underwhelming success given how many resource they have
robertlagrant 2y ago
If I remember correctly, the CEO at the time Steve Ballmer said they were betting the farm on mobile and ARM-based tablet computing. They went very hard on mobile until SatNad came along and killed it. (Former Touch Diamond user here.)
- KeplerBoy 2y ago
  And here we are, in a world where Apple has made arm work wonders for them and Windows still isn't really a thing on ARM 10 years after ballmer resigned. Then again arm doesn't seem to be necessary when looking at AMDs APU offerings. It was just a decade of intel struggling with their fabs.
  - dcow 2y ago
    Windows is definitely on arm. It just sucks because Qualcomm failed to deliver a good cpu package. The experience is within a stones throw of Apple, though. I also have one of the new AMD 300 AI platforms, and it still can’t do power right. Either the laptop is miserably slow on battery, or runs way too hot on power.
    - KeplerBoy 2y ago
      Yes, it is on arm and has been for decades in some form, but it's still nowhere near its M1 moment.
    - etempleton 2y ago
      I think the bigger issue is legacy software on Windows. It is Windows biggest moat and also their biggest albatross. So many companies and individuals rely on a specific piece of software that will never be ported to ARM. Microsoft can’t force the conversion. Developers have no incentive to support both until there is a critical mass of users and there will never be a critical mass of users unless ARM is 3x better than whatever Intel / AMD can deliver. On mobile it got close for a moment in terms of efficiency and then Intel and AMD immediately closed the gap. No incentive for users to switch.
      - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
        They really should do a clean slate OS where native apps are all C# and legacy stuff is run in a VM. An ARM Xbox would also help develop a gaming ecosystem without the massive legacy concerns.
        etempleton 2y ago
        But then they lose their moat. Why not Linux then? Why not Mac OS?
        Lammy 2y ago
        Relevant: Singularity/Midori (2003–2015) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/osr2007_rethinkingsoftwarestack.pdf https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/... https://web.archive.org/web/20090112172352/http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/news/features/singularity.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20090112172352/http://research.m... https://read.seas.harvard.edu/~kohler/class/cs261-f11/singularity.html https://read.seas.harvard.edu/~kohler/class/cs261-f11/singul... https://web.archive.org/web/20180228191626/https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=singularity https://web.archive.org/web/20180228191626/https://archive.c...
- martinsnow 2y ago
  You bring up bad memories. I fucking hated my htc touch diamond. It was pretty but man was it slow.

tonyhart7 2y ago

absolutely the fact they just give out on hardware side eg:nokia,surface device,zune,vr headset etc is just disappointing I think this is about company culture as a whole too, MS only know how to make software this is same problem with google too, with pixel device is very underwhelming success given how many resource they have

robertlagrant 2y ago

If I remember correctly, the CEO at the time Steve Ballmer said they were betting the farm on mobile and ARM-based tablet computing. They went very hard on mobile until SatNad came along and killed it. (Former Touch Diamond user here.)

KeplerBoy 2y ago
And here we are, in a world where Apple has made arm work wonders for them and Windows still isn't really a thing on ARM 10 years after ballmer resigned. Then again arm doesn't seem to be necessary when looking at AMDs APU offerings. It was just a decade of intel struggling with their fabs.
- dcow 2y ago
  Windows is definitely on arm. It just sucks because Qualcomm failed to deliver a good cpu package. The experience is within a stones throw of Apple, though. I also have one of the new AMD 300 AI platforms, and it still can’t do power right. Either the laptop is miserably slow on battery, or runs way too hot on power.
  - KeplerBoy 2y ago
    Yes, it is on arm and has been for decades in some form, but it's still nowhere near its M1 moment.
  - etempleton 2y ago
    I think the bigger issue is legacy software on Windows. It is Windows biggest moat and also their biggest albatross. So many companies and individuals rely on a specific piece of software that will never be ported to ARM. Microsoft can’t force the conversion. Developers have no incentive to support both until there is a critical mass of users and there will never be a critical mass of users unless ARM is 3x better than whatever Intel / AMD can deliver. On mobile it got close for a moment in terms of efficiency and then Intel and AMD immediately closed the gap. No incentive for users to switch.
    - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
      They really should do a clean slate OS where native apps are all C# and legacy stuff is run in a VM. An ARM Xbox would also help develop a gaming ecosystem without the massive legacy concerns.
      - etempleton 2y ago
        But then they lose their moat. Why not Linux then? Why not Mac OS?
      - Lammy 2y ago
        Relevant: Singularity/Midori (2003–2015) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/osr2007_rethinkingsoftwarestack.pdf https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/... https://web.archive.org/web/20090112172352/http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/news/features/singularity.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20090112172352/http://research.m... https://read.seas.harvard.edu/~kohler/class/cs261-f11/singularity.html https://read.seas.harvard.edu/~kohler/class/cs261-f11/singul... https://web.archive.org/web/20180228191626/https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=singularity https://web.archive.org/web/20180228191626/https://archive.c...
martinsnow 2y ago
You bring up bad memories. I fucking hated my htc touch diamond. It was pretty but man was it slow.