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>giants like Meta, Google, and Apple must collect as much of your personal data as possible Stopped reading there. If someone tries to sell a lie like that in

by panny 2y ago

>giants like Meta, Google, and Apple must collect as much of your personal data as possible Stopped reading there. If someone tries to sell a lie like that in their first five sentences, I can't trust anything they say.

kome 2y ago
but it's the truth. where is the lie?
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Hmmm... Perhaps an Apple fan, upset that the company's Not Quite As Bad policies aren't being celebrated?
- gamgam69 2y ago
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- Jensson 2y ago
  Must they really collect as much data as possible?
bamboozled 2y ago
Is it a lie?
- haswell 2y ago
  Meta and Google must collect your data. Apple does collect some of your data, but their business doesn't depend on it, and I have some degree of control over how much I participate. I think it's a category error to include all three in the same sentence, but I don't think the author is lying. I do agree somewhat with the sentiment that such a lack of distinction calls the content into question, or at least the author's framing of it.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    Disagree. All three companies exist in the set of massively international megacorps who as a matter of routine daily business collect and distribute personal information of the individuals who use their service. Being precious about what percentage of their yearly revenue is generated by this activity seems weird.
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      > Being precious about what percentage of their yearly revenue is generated by this activity seems weird No one is being precious about it. They're debating whether or not the article is written in good faith. Jumping to a bad faith-based defence isn't going to change the mind of people who are concerned about things being done in bad faith.
      - forgetfreeman 2y ago
        To clarify, you're concerned that one or more arguments advanced in the article don't meet your personal definition of bad faith, bad faith is important to you, and as such the entire article is suspect? Entirely ignoring the central claims of bad faith handling of users sensitive information, we're skipping past that entirely to deconstruct a single sentence as a "gotcha"? One of us does not understand the other, clearly.
        haswell 2y ago
        Good/bad faith isn't just about one's preference about a form of argument, but can also completely change the validity of the underlying argument. The point here is that bad faith is doing exactly that: making the legitimacy of the argument presented by the author fundamentally questionable. Comparing the core business model of a company that has invested in capabilities like Advanced Data Protection with Meta in an article highlighting the ways authorities can get your data...seems disingenuous at best, and just plain wrong/misleading. > we're skipping past that entirely to deconstruct a single sentence as a "gotcha" When someone sets up a false premise, then yes, everything that comes after it is suspect.
- XorNot 2y ago
  Google have stopped recording location history (opt-in) server side at all.
gamgam69 2y ago
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boesboes 2y ago
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by panny 2y ago

kome 2y ago

but it's the truth. where is the lie?

Terr_ 2y ago
Hmmm... Perhaps an Apple fan, upset that the company's Not Quite As Bad policies aren't being celebrated?
gamgam69 2y ago
[flagged]
Jensson 2y ago
Must they really collect as much data as possible?

bamboozled 2y ago

Is it a lie?

haswell 2y ago
Meta and Google must collect your data. Apple does collect some of your data, but their business doesn't depend on it, and I have some degree of control over how much I participate. I think it's a category error to include all three in the same sentence, but I don't think the author is lying. I do agree somewhat with the sentiment that such a lack of distinction calls the content into question, or at least the author's framing of it.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  Disagree. All three companies exist in the set of massively international megacorps who as a matter of routine daily business collect and distribute personal information of the individuals who use their service. Being precious about what percentage of their yearly revenue is generated by this activity seems weird.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    > Being precious about what percentage of their yearly revenue is generated by this activity seems weird No one is being precious about it. They're debating whether or not the article is written in good faith. Jumping to a bad faith-based defence isn't going to change the mind of people who are concerned about things being done in bad faith.
    - forgetfreeman 2y ago
      To clarify, you're concerned that one or more arguments advanced in the article don't meet your personal definition of bad faith, bad faith is important to you, and as such the entire article is suspect? Entirely ignoring the central claims of bad faith handling of users sensitive information, we're skipping past that entirely to deconstruct a single sentence as a "gotcha"? One of us does not understand the other, clearly.
      - haswell 2y ago
        Good/bad faith isn't just about one's preference about a form of argument, but can also completely change the validity of the underlying argument. The point here is that bad faith is doing exactly that: making the legitimacy of the argument presented by the author fundamentally questionable. Comparing the core business model of a company that has invested in capabilities like Advanced Data Protection with Meta in an article highlighting the ways authorities can get your data...seems disingenuous at best, and just plain wrong/misleading. > we're skipping past that entirely to deconstruct a single sentence as a "gotcha" When someone sets up a false premise, then yes, everything that comes after it is suspect.
XorNot 2y ago
Google have stopped recording location history (opt-in) server side at all.

gamgam69 2y ago

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boesboes 2y ago

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