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RHEL has had no significant investment to keep it from becoming irrelevant in the next five years. The datacenter and deployments of linux have changed so rapid

RHEL has had no significant investment to keep it from becoming irrelevant in the next five years. The datacenter and deployments of linux have changed so rapidly (mostly due to the new centralization and homogeneity of infrastructure investment) that RHELs niche is rapidly shrinking.

cmdlinecowboy 2y ago
RHEL 10 beta has some interesting stuff in it. Running the OS itself as a container caught my eye.
dralley 2y ago
Image mode RHEL is a pretty significant investment. Apart from that, in terms of keeping RHEL relevant, most of the attention is on making it easier to operate fleets at scale rather than the OS itself. Red Hat Insights, Image Builder, services in general, etc. Those are the key things that would keep it competitive against Ubuntu, Debian, Alma, Oracle etc.
esseph 2y ago
This is clearly someone that is not paying attention to what Red Hat is doing. RHEL is the enterprise gold standard. Fedora is a lot of the pipeline for it, which itself has become an incredible server and desktop platform. All the work with Open shift, backstage, podman / qubelet, etc. They're going to be fine, from my graybeard position.
- iwontberude 2y ago
  Yes also a gray beard and been around long enough to tell you RHEL is and will continue to be legacy and will continue to dwindle into obsolescence. You mentioned the cool stuff Fedora is doing, that is not RHEL. CoreOS is the future.
  - esseph 2y ago
    RedHat developers are the ones making Fedora. Fedora is the upstream for RHEL. You are going to see RHEL transition to bootc: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/bootc/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/bootc/ Get with the times, fellow gray beard: https://github.com/redhat-cop/redhat-image-mode-demo https://github.com/redhat-cop/redhat-image-mode-demo --- * What is RHEL Image Mode? RHEL Image mode is a new approach for operating system deployment that enables users to create, deploy and manage Red Hat Enterprise Linux as a bootc container image. This approach simplifies operations across the enterprise, allowing developers, operations teams and solution providers to use the same container-native tools and techniques to manage everything from applications to the underlying OS. * How is RHEL Image Mode different? Due to the container-oriented nature, RHEL Image mode opens up to a unification and standardization of OS management and deployment, allowing the integration with existing CI/CD workflows and/or GitOps, reducing complexity. RHEL Image mode also helps increasing security as the content, updates and patches are predictable and atomic, preventing manual modification of core services, packages and applications for a guaranteed consistency at scale. ---
    - iwontberude 2y ago
      I know all of this already and honestly I’m just amused at how long it has taken. Forget I said anything. Enjoy working on rhel for the rest of your life.
      - esseph 2y ago
        "Enjoy working on rhel for the rest of your life." Show me on this doll where RHEL touched you.
throwaway2037 2y ago
If RHEL is becoming irrelevant, what distro will replace it for enterprise users?
- cyberpunk 2y ago
  We don’t run anything on bare metal anymore it’s all containers (90k employee very large enterprise). Of course I can’t speak for all the teams, but all new projects are going out on kubernetes and we don’t care about rhel at all, typically it’s alpine it Debian base images
  - cmsj 2y ago
    You have a hardware implementation of Docker?
    - cyberpunk 2y ago
      When I say "we don't run anything on" I mean our involvement in the infra begins after those layers; sure, maybe someone at google cloud is doing rhel stuff but we don't care. Push button receive kubeconfig.
  - tiberious726 2y ago
    So Red Hat Openshift.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  Talos Linux. Replaced a fleet of RHEL OpenShift with Talos recently. We're planning on moving the rest to Talos within 1.5 years. Basically, bare metal OS is going to be an implementation detail abstracted away from the internal users and developers.
  - JustinGarrison 2y ago
    I'm the head of product at Sidero. Thanks for sharing! We love to hear people being successful with Talos.
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cmdlinecowboy 2y ago

RHEL 10 beta has some interesting stuff in it. Running the OS itself as a container caught my eye.

dralley 2y ago

Image mode RHEL is a pretty significant investment. Apart from that, in terms of keeping RHEL relevant, most of the attention is on making it easier to operate fleets at scale rather than the OS itself. Red Hat Insights, Image Builder, services in general, etc. Those are the key things that would keep it competitive against Ubuntu, Debian, Alma, Oracle etc.

esseph 2y ago

This is clearly someone that is not paying attention to what Red Hat is doing. RHEL is the enterprise gold standard. Fedora is a lot of the pipeline for it, which itself has become an incredible server and desktop platform. All the work with Open shift, backstage, podman / qubelet, etc. They're going to be fine, from my graybeard position.

iwontberude 2y ago
Yes also a gray beard and been around long enough to tell you RHEL is and will continue to be legacy and will continue to dwindle into obsolescence. You mentioned the cool stuff Fedora is doing, that is not RHEL. CoreOS is the future.
- esseph 2y ago
  RedHat developers are the ones making Fedora. Fedora is the upstream for RHEL. You are going to see RHEL transition to bootc: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/bootc/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/bootc/ Get with the times, fellow gray beard: https://github.com/redhat-cop/redhat-image-mode-demo https://github.com/redhat-cop/redhat-image-mode-demo --- * What is RHEL Image Mode? RHEL Image mode is a new approach for operating system deployment that enables users to create, deploy and manage Red Hat Enterprise Linux as a bootc container image. This approach simplifies operations across the enterprise, allowing developers, operations teams and solution providers to use the same container-native tools and techniques to manage everything from applications to the underlying OS. * How is RHEL Image Mode different? Due to the container-oriented nature, RHEL Image mode opens up to a unification and standardization of OS management and deployment, allowing the integration with existing CI/CD workflows and/or GitOps, reducing complexity. RHEL Image mode also helps increasing security as the content, updates and patches are predictable and atomic, preventing manual modification of core services, packages and applications for a guaranteed consistency at scale. ---
  - iwontberude 2y ago
    I know all of this already and honestly I’m just amused at how long it has taken. Forget I said anything. Enjoy working on rhel for the rest of your life.
    - esseph 2y ago
      "Enjoy working on rhel for the rest of your life." Show me on this doll where RHEL touched you.

throwaway2037 2y ago

If RHEL is becoming irrelevant, what distro will replace it for enterprise users?

cyberpunk 2y ago
We don’t run anything on bare metal anymore it’s all containers (90k employee very large enterprise). Of course I can’t speak for all the teams, but all new projects are going out on kubernetes and we don’t care about rhel at all, typically it’s alpine it Debian base images
- cmsj 2y ago
  You have a hardware implementation of Docker?
  - cyberpunk 2y ago
    When I say "we don't run anything on" I mean our involvement in the infra begins after those layers; sure, maybe someone at google cloud is doing rhel stuff but we don't care. Push button receive kubeconfig.
- tiberious726 2y ago
  So Red Hat Openshift.
anonfordays 2y ago
Talos Linux. Replaced a fleet of RHEL OpenShift with Talos recently. We're planning on moving the rest to Talos within 1.5 years. Basically, bare metal OS is going to be an implementation detail abstracted away from the internal users and developers.
- JustinGarrison 2y ago
  I'm the head of product at Sidero. Thanks for sharing! We love to hear people being successful with Talos.

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