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I guess "equity", meaning running fiber to rural areas, even if they usually lean red, means "woke"? Or is it that "woke" now just means any internet infrastru

I guess "equity", meaning running fiber to rural areas, even if they usually lean red, means "woke"? Or is it that "woke" now just means any internet infrastructure that isn't Starlink?

cozzyd 2y ago
Any ISP leader too timid to do a salute is too woke
threeseed 2y ago
Yes she specifically called out the fact that they were favouring fiber. The act defines an "underserved area" as having less than 100/20 speeds. Which Starlink doesn't meet: https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70 https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70
rayiner 2y ago
No, that’s not what it means: https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-trump https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-tr... > In addition, states had to prove that they promoted participation from minority-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, and “other socially or economically disadvantaged individual-owned businesses.” They also had to create a Five-Year Action Plan that required collaborating with unions and “underrepresented communities,” including prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color. If you support incorporating race and identity group preferences into government infrastructure projects, just own that instead of obfuscating.
- hooverd 2y ago
  Very little proof that woke did this vs. Carr just saying so. it sounds like most holdup was at the state level.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    Building infrastructure in this country is already nearly impossible, without adding another whole dimension of things that can be used to bog down and litigate projects to death. I’ve got 10-gig fiber to my house and drive an SUV, I don’t care. The people who should be most upset about this stuff are the folks who want government to facilitate building fiber, trains, etc.
- l1bt4rds 2y ago
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- dashundchen 2y ago
  Yes, if you are funding a program to get broadband to underserved areas, including rural and low income populations, it's reasonable to require a plan for outreach so that those groups know they can connect. Why have a program if people don't know about it? They didn't come up with program out of nowhere, it's been well studied those groups had less connectivity and broadband availability. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10688393/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10688393/ I'm not sure what your point is here besides that you dislike inclusion. The point of the program is to level the playing field by offering broadband where it might not normally have been profitable to expand. Outreach shouldn't slow anyone down. The cost of doing some marketing and data analysis is probably miniscule compared to the actual infrastructure build out.
  - defen 2y ago
    > it's reasonable to require a plan for outreach so that those groups know they can connect. Why have a program if people don't know about it? It's not about outreach to those groups so they can connect to low-cost internet, it's about who builds out the network itself.
    - dashundchen 2y ago
      rayiner's comment mentioning "prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color" is not about the build out. It's about community outreach and measuring impact on who is getting connected. It's all in the Notice of Funding Opportunity for the program. The only reference to actually diversity in the actual build out are: * Complying with CFR 200.321, considering MWBE are considered in subcontracting, which is standard in many federal contracts https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-2/subtitle-A/chapter-II/part-200/subpart-D/subject-group-ECFR45ddd4419ad436d/section-200.321 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-2/subtitle-A/chapter-II/p... * Non-discrimination in hiring, also standard in federal contracts * Encouraging, but not requiring awardees to broaden their recruitment to underrepresented groups: > Ensuring that subgrantees prioritize hiring local workers and have robust and specific plans to recruit historically underrepresented populations facing labor market barriers and ensure that they have reasonable access to the job opportunities created by subgrantees

I guess "equity", meaning running fiber to rural areas, even if they usually lean red, means "woke"? Or is it that "woke" now just means any internet infrastructure that isn't Starlink?

cozzyd 2y ago

Any ISP leader too timid to do a salute is too woke

threeseed 2y ago

Yes she specifically called out the fact that they were favouring fiber. The act defines an "underserved area" as having less than 100/20 speeds. Which Starlink doesn't meet: https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70 https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70

rayiner 2y ago

No, that’s not what it means: https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-trump https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-tr... > In addition, states had to prove that they promoted participation from minority-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, and “other socially or economically disadvantaged individual-owned businesses.” They also had to create a Five-Year Action Plan that required collaborating with unions and “underrepresented communities,” including prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color. If you support incorporating race and identity group preferences into government infrastructure projects, just own that instead of obfuscating.

hooverd 2y ago
Very little proof that woke did this vs. Carr just saying so. it sounds like most holdup was at the state level.
- rayiner 2y ago
  Building infrastructure in this country is already nearly impossible, without adding another whole dimension of things that can be used to bog down and litigate projects to death. I’ve got 10-gig fiber to my house and drive an SUV, I don’t care. The people who should be most upset about this stuff are the folks who want government to facilitate building fiber, trains, etc.
l1bt4rds 2y ago
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dashundchen 2y ago
Yes, if you are funding a program to get broadband to underserved areas, including rural and low income populations, it's reasonable to require a plan for outreach so that those groups know they can connect. Why have a program if people don't know about it? They didn't come up with program out of nowhere, it's been well studied those groups had less connectivity and broadband availability. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10688393/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10688393/ I'm not sure what your point is here besides that you dislike inclusion. The point of the program is to level the playing field by offering broadband where it might not normally have been profitable to expand. Outreach shouldn't slow anyone down. The cost of doing some marketing and data analysis is probably miniscule compared to the actual infrastructure build out.
- defen 2y ago
  > it's reasonable to require a plan for outreach so that those groups know they can connect. Why have a program if people don't know about it? It's not about outreach to those groups so they can connect to low-cost internet, it's about who builds out the network itself.
  - dashundchen 2y ago
    rayiner's comment mentioning "prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color" is not about the build out. It's about community outreach and measuring impact on who is getting connected. It's all in the Notice of Funding Opportunity for the program. The only reference to actually diversity in the actual build out are: * Complying with CFR 200.321, considering MWBE are considered in subcontracting, which is standard in many federal contracts https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-2/subtitle-A/chapter-II/part-200/subpart-D/subject-group-ECFR45ddd4419ad436d/section-200.321 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-2/subtitle-A/chapter-II/p... * Non-discrimination in hiring, also standard in federal contracts * Encouraging, but not requiring awardees to broaden their recruitment to underrepresented groups: > Ensuring that subgrantees prioritize hiring local workers and have robust and specific plans to recruit historically underrepresented populations facing labor market barriers and ensure that they have reasonable access to the job opportunities created by subgrantees