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I think Mozilla VPN is a Mozilla service? It's pretty odd if you aren't allowed to use their VPN to watch or share porn - send unsolicited communications (for

I think Mozilla VPN is a Mozilla service? It's pretty odd if you aren't allowed to use their VPN to watch or share porn - send unsolicited communications (for example cold emailing an employer about a job) - Deceive or mislead (for example inviting your brother over for a surprise party under false pretenses) - Purchase legal controlled products (for example sending the pharmacy a refill for your Xanax) - Collect email addresses without permission (for example putting together a list of emails to contact public officials)

ddalex 2y ago
"If you're doing it you have to give us the data, and btw you can't do it either"
Grimblewald 2y ago
look, i'd have similar clauses if I ran such a service. Porn gets very messy very quickly. Revenge porn, porn of generally unconsenting parties etc. are all to common and people who share know it is wrong and so try to use things like vpns to hide. The problem for you as a vpn provider is proving they're doing the wrong thing with your service, so it is much easier to simply say there is a blanket ban and then selectivly enforce. The upside for users in general is such a vpn service tends not to be associated with underbelly behaviour and so isn't blocked from 90% of the web.
- ragnese 2y ago
  Do hammer manufacturers required you to sign an agreement at the hardware store with a bunch of legalese so they aren't held liable if you use the hammer to beat someone to death? Do alcohol companies get shut down when people drink and kill someone with their car? Did you know that a nonzero percentage of child molesters wear Nike sneakers when they kidnap children? Why doesn't Nike actively try to prevent this?! So why should a VPN provider need to explicitly dissuade its customers from breaking the law with their service? Why should a web browser be afraid of being on the hook when someone breaks the law via the web?
  - olyjohn 2y ago
    Bars certainly get in huge trouble if they let someone drink too much, and they leave and drive and kill somebody.
    - knowitnone 2y ago
      but bars are aiding these drunks. a hammer is a tool specifically for hitting and removing nails. If you put that burden on a hammer, you'll have to put that in a pencil and every object in the world.
      - eth0up 2y ago
        Minor objection... I have and continue to use my hammer, which is none but an Estwing, for demolition work. Often there are no nails directly involved and when there are, I use a prybar. I have also used it to open beers, 'fix' computers, as well as procure therapy to various things that plead for it. On several occasions I've even used it tied to a rope to throw over an unreachable tree limb. That this may be used as evidence in court against me, well, has me almost welcoming a firing squad. What a silly silly planet. Is there any hope for Midori?
    - bigbacaloa 2y ago
      That's because a bar is generally required by law not to serve someone already drunk.
    - stefanka 2y ago
      I honestly doubt that this is true for the country I live in. How would a bar keeper know your intention to drive? And your ability to drive might be impaired before showing obvious symptoms of intoxication
    - gunsle 2y ago
      I don’t think this is really true at all, at any decently busy establishment there’s no way the bartender could possibly be responsible for what their patrons do after leaving when they barely have time to take their orders
- shakna 2y ago
  "Graphic depictions of violence" also covers every 18+ movie or TV show. So I guess streaming Underbelly would also be against such a policy. That's a bad idea, and a badly formed policy. The legal team and the marketing team need to talk things over here, a wee bit more.
rafaelmn 2y ago
All of that should be covered by not allowing illegal content ?

ddalex 2y ago

"If you're doing it you have to give us the data, and btw you can't do it either"

Grimblewald 2y ago

look, i'd have similar clauses if I ran such a service. Porn gets very messy very quickly. Revenge porn, porn of generally unconsenting parties etc. are all to common and people who share know it is wrong and so try to use things like vpns to hide. The problem for you as a vpn provider is proving they're doing the wrong thing with your service, so it is much easier to simply say there is a blanket ban and then selectivly enforce. The upside for users in general is such a vpn service tends not to be associated with underbelly behaviour and so isn't blocked from 90% of the web.

ragnese 2y ago
Do hammer manufacturers required you to sign an agreement at the hardware store with a bunch of legalese so they aren't held liable if you use the hammer to beat someone to death? Do alcohol companies get shut down when people drink and kill someone with their car? Did you know that a nonzero percentage of child molesters wear Nike sneakers when they kidnap children? Why doesn't Nike actively try to prevent this?! So why should a VPN provider need to explicitly dissuade its customers from breaking the law with their service? Why should a web browser be afraid of being on the hook when someone breaks the law via the web?
- olyjohn 2y ago
  Bars certainly get in huge trouble if they let someone drink too much, and they leave and drive and kill somebody.
  - knowitnone 2y ago
    but bars are aiding these drunks. a hammer is a tool specifically for hitting and removing nails. If you put that burden on a hammer, you'll have to put that in a pencil and every object in the world.
    - eth0up 2y ago
      Minor objection... I have and continue to use my hammer, which is none but an Estwing, for demolition work. Often there are no nails directly involved and when there are, I use a prybar. I have also used it to open beers, 'fix' computers, as well as procure therapy to various things that plead for it. On several occasions I've even used it tied to a rope to throw over an unreachable tree limb. That this may be used as evidence in court against me, well, has me almost welcoming a firing squad. What a silly silly planet. Is there any hope for Midori?
  - bigbacaloa 2y ago
    That's because a bar is generally required by law not to serve someone already drunk.
  - stefanka 2y ago
    I honestly doubt that this is true for the country I live in. How would a bar keeper know your intention to drive? And your ability to drive might be impaired before showing obvious symptoms of intoxication
  - gunsle 2y ago
    I don’t think this is really true at all, at any decently busy establishment there’s no way the bartender could possibly be responsible for what their patrons do after leaving when they barely have time to take their orders
shakna 2y ago
"Graphic depictions of violence" also covers every 18+ movie or TV show. So I guess streaming Underbelly would also be against such a policy. That's a bad idea, and a badly formed policy. The legal team and the marketing team need to talk things over here, a wee bit more.

rafaelmn 2y ago

All of that should be covered by not allowing illegal content ?