5 ms·

The Puritans have been trying to ban porn here since the concept has existed, it's never stopped, and it's never going to stop. They're miserable and they want

The Puritans have been trying to ban porn here since the concept has existed, it's never stopped, and it's never going to stop. They're miserable and they want everyone else to be too. That's like most of their religion. Going to church, being ashamed of bodies, and judging people.

jack_pp 2y ago
[flagged]
- nisa 2y ago
  It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's the problem here with the puritanians.
  - account42 2y ago
    > It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's literally every ideology.
- rvba 2y ago
  So because you did X and had a problem, it means it should be banned for everyone, including people whp dont have a problem with X?
  - jack_pp 2y ago
    Are you seriously saying porn is being suppressed? It's a bigger industry than it has ever been. Visa has the option to do business with whomever they like or dislike and I'm not even sure they don't support them because of religious reasons. I'm not saying it should be banned but saying the people who are against it or don't want to do business with such entities are miserable is twisted given it is an industry where most of the actors are victims of abuse, the viewers learn a distorted view of sexuality and younger generations have less respect for each other because of it.
    - yencabulator 2y ago
      > Are you seriously saying porn is being suppressed? You are doing it right now!
      - account42 2y ago
        How is gp suppressing porn by stating his views?
        yencabulator 2y ago
        All speech is "just stating one's view", if you want to view it like that. That doesn't mean it doesn't have effects on the world. Consider white racist group members standing outside a mostly-Black voting location shouting slogans.
        account42 2y ago
        So everyone disagreeing with you is now suppressing you? Absurd.
- schneehertz 2y ago
  Do you think pornography is harmful to you, and can it be inferred that pornography is also harmful to others? This is the reason why your viewpoint is not accepted by others
  - jack_pp 2y ago
    If you search YouTube for "effects of porn addiction" you will find mostly clips from secular sources. A lot of scientists/psychologists say it's harmful
    - kergonath 2y ago
      > If you search YouTube for "effects of porn addiction" you will find mostly clips from secular sources. This is not an argument. You can find sources saying anything you want on YouTube. If you want to be taken seriously, you need more than random videos or a Wikipedia article. > A lot of scientists/psychologists say it's harmful Sources? A lot of studies show it’s fine.
    - dingnuts 2y ago
      addiction to anything is harmful. You might as well have said using porn unhealthily is unhealthy. It's a tautology, and it's moving the goal posts disingenuously. The argument is about moderate use, just like any other vice.
      - jack_pp 2y ago
        Even cocaine or heroin can be used responsibly, but there's a reason it's banned
  - lr0 2y ago
    Yes, pornography is harmful, for everyone, for people who watch at and many of those who participate in its production. No exception, it's a bad thing and it's a shame that society is being okay with it.
- Juliate 2y ago
  > I'd say porn makes people miserable not happy/ fulfilled. Yes. And no. It depends on a lot of other things: what porn you're looking at [1]; what stage you are in; how fulfilled you are with your life; etc. The addiction to porn is like any addiction: a symptom of something else not going well; addiction which you won't get out of if you don't find a way to fix the issue. That isn't to say that you shouldn't treat the symptom as well, if/when it hurts you too (and any addictive behaviour can quickly hurt). The very tricky thing is that, the same thing (alcohol, sex, drugs, porn, sport, work, food) can be addictive to someone, and just recreational to another; beneficial and harmful. The key is understanding why, for each and every one. Not to shame. [1] porn is not necessarily the most extreme, garbage, inhuman stuff; although those are very liberally used by most porn websites. Some stuff are definitely harmful, to anyone, on either side of it. Some are well thought-out and promote educational, healthy, loving behaviour - guess why, those of most often written and produced by women.
- m000 2y ago
  > ...had access to the best porn tracker in the world where I could find almost anything I wanted and trust me it did not fulfill me. Why does everything have to be about fulfillment and enrichment? > ...Watching porn is like eating junk food or doing cocaine. Next dose you need something stronger, or more novel. Did you similarly cancel all your streaming services? How is binge-watching a Netflix show different than binge-watching porn?
  - jack_pp 2y ago
    Yes, I'm working on cutting every addiction, that's a big part of being a practicing Orthodox Christian. My biggest weaknesses are video games but I have wasted plenty of time on shows as well and I haven't done either as much in the past month or so. But sexuality is a big part of our lives and while wasting time on any addiction like doomscrolling and binge watching is not good for us, porn can taint our relationship with the opposite sex and that's worst in my opinion
    - m000 2y ago
      Sorry if I may have sounded judgemental and good luck with your self-improvement trip. Orthodox Christianity can be helpful with tackling self-moderation issues. Just make sure you don't pay much attention to any extreme guilt-tripping moralisms you may hear along the way. (I am of Orthodox Christian background myself, and I have heard my fair share of them.)
      - jack_pp 2y ago
        It's ok, you were right to doubt that I understood that porn isn't the only sin. Any waste of time/ resources in pursuit of egotistical pleasure is a sin as far as I understand it. But we are taught that God is merciful, as long as we fight truly with our sins. Regarding judgement: https://chatgpt.com/share/67c393b3-5ad8-8009-9991-edbf43df1a21 https://chatgpt.com/share/67c393b3-5ad8-8009-9991-edbf43df1a...
    - dingnuts 2y ago
      Your beliefs do not give you the right to impose your beliefs' lifestyle restrictions on others, period. Even if they did, forcing people through state violence to adhere to your lifestyle isn't very Christian of you.

jack_pp 2y ago

[flagged]

nisa 2y ago
It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's the problem here with the puritanians.
- account42 2y ago
  > It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's literally every ideology.
rvba 2y ago
So because you did X and had a problem, it means it should be banned for everyone, including people whp dont have a problem with X?
- jack_pp 2y ago
  Are you seriously saying porn is being suppressed? It's a bigger industry than it has ever been. Visa has the option to do business with whomever they like or dislike and I'm not even sure they don't support them because of religious reasons. I'm not saying it should be banned but saying the people who are against it or don't want to do business with such entities are miserable is twisted given it is an industry where most of the actors are victims of abuse, the viewers learn a distorted view of sexuality and younger generations have less respect for each other because of it.
  - yencabulator 2y ago
    > Are you seriously saying porn is being suppressed? You are doing it right now!
    - account42 2y ago
      How is gp suppressing porn by stating his views?
      - yencabulator 2y ago
        All speech is "just stating one's view", if you want to view it like that. That doesn't mean it doesn't have effects on the world. Consider white racist group members standing outside a mostly-Black voting location shouting slogans.
        account42 2y ago
        So everyone disagreeing with you is now suppressing you? Absurd.
schneehertz 2y ago
Do you think pornography is harmful to you, and can it be inferred that pornography is also harmful to others? This is the reason why your viewpoint is not accepted by others
- jack_pp 2y ago
  If you search YouTube for "effects of porn addiction" you will find mostly clips from secular sources. A lot of scientists/psychologists say it's harmful
  - kergonath 2y ago
    > If you search YouTube for "effects of porn addiction" you will find mostly clips from secular sources. This is not an argument. You can find sources saying anything you want on YouTube. If you want to be taken seriously, you need more than random videos or a Wikipedia article. > A lot of scientists/psychologists say it's harmful Sources? A lot of studies show it’s fine.
  - dingnuts 2y ago
    addiction to anything is harmful. You might as well have said using porn unhealthily is unhealthy. It's a tautology, and it's moving the goal posts disingenuously. The argument is about moderate use, just like any other vice.
    - jack_pp 2y ago
      Even cocaine or heroin can be used responsibly, but there's a reason it's banned
- lr0 2y ago
  Yes, pornography is harmful, for everyone, for people who watch at and many of those who participate in its production. No exception, it's a bad thing and it's a shame that society is being okay with it.
Juliate 2y ago
> I'd say porn makes people miserable not happy/ fulfilled. Yes. And no. It depends on a lot of other things: what porn you're looking at [1]; what stage you are in; how fulfilled you are with your life; etc. The addiction to porn is like any addiction: a symptom of something else not going well; addiction which you won't get out of if you don't find a way to fix the issue. That isn't to say that you shouldn't treat the symptom as well, if/when it hurts you too (and any addictive behaviour can quickly hurt). The very tricky thing is that, the same thing (alcohol, sex, drugs, porn, sport, work, food) can be addictive to someone, and just recreational to another; beneficial and harmful. The key is understanding why, for each and every one. Not to shame. [1] porn is not necessarily the most extreme, garbage, inhuman stuff; although those are very liberally used by most porn websites. Some stuff are definitely harmful, to anyone, on either side of it. Some are well thought-out and promote educational, healthy, loving behaviour - guess why, those of most often written and produced by women.
m000 2y ago
> ...had access to the best porn tracker in the world where I could find almost anything I wanted and trust me it did not fulfill me. Why does everything have to be about fulfillment and enrichment? > ...Watching porn is like eating junk food or doing cocaine. Next dose you need something stronger, or more novel. Did you similarly cancel all your streaming services? How is binge-watching a Netflix show different than binge-watching porn?
- jack_pp 2y ago
  Yes, I'm working on cutting every addiction, that's a big part of being a practicing Orthodox Christian. My biggest weaknesses are video games but I have wasted plenty of time on shows as well and I haven't done either as much in the past month or so. But sexuality is a big part of our lives and while wasting time on any addiction like doomscrolling and binge watching is not good for us, porn can taint our relationship with the opposite sex and that's worst in my opinion
  - m000 2y ago
    Sorry if I may have sounded judgemental and good luck with your self-improvement trip. Orthodox Christianity can be helpful with tackling self-moderation issues. Just make sure you don't pay much attention to any extreme guilt-tripping moralisms you may hear along the way. (I am of Orthodox Christian background myself, and I have heard my fair share of them.)
    - jack_pp 2y ago
      It's ok, you were right to doubt that I understood that porn isn't the only sin. Any waste of time/ resources in pursuit of egotistical pleasure is a sin as far as I understand it. But we are taught that God is merciful, as long as we fight truly with our sins. Regarding judgement: https://chatgpt.com/share/67c393b3-5ad8-8009-9991-edbf43df1a21 https://chatgpt.com/share/67c393b3-5ad8-8009-9991-edbf43df1a...
  - dingnuts 2y ago
    Your beliefs do not give you the right to impose your beliefs' lifestyle restrictions on others, period. Even if they did, forcing people through state violence to adhere to your lifestyle isn't very Christian of you.