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Just installed Waterfox a couple hours ago. ( https://www.waterfox.net/ https://www.waterfox.net/ ) I'm getting fed up with all the latest Mozilla bullshit to t

Just installed Waterfox a couple hours ago. ( https://www.waterfox.net/ https://www.waterfox.net/ ) I'm getting fed up with all the latest Mozilla bullshit to the point I'm ready to switch browsers. Ladybird is starting to look good too, from an end user daily driver perspective, technically it has been impressive for a long time. One other thing I'm really hopeful is to embed Ladybird engine in a "first class" way. Think of if as an Electron alternative but in a sane way.

discardedrefuse 2y ago
Waterfox looks worth a try, but I opted for LibreWolf because it's verified on Flathub and Waterfox is not. It looks like the Flathub version of Waterfox was packaged the same BrowserWorks Ltd that makes Waterfox, but they didn't take the extra steps to get verified so we can't be sure. Hopefully they can remedy that. Browsers are too important to install from untrusted sources.
- wongarsu 2y ago
  For what it's worth, it's the opposite situation on Windows: The Waterfox installer is signed (even with an Extended Validation certificate), the LibreWolf installer isn't. Another thing that surprised me is that there is a Waterfox Android build in the Play Store. Reviews of that are however mixed.
  - gs17 2y ago
    Similar on macOS, the LibreWolf team (somewhat understandably) refuses to pay for Apple's developer account to notarize their builds, so every update I have to remove the quarantine extended attribute (Homebrew can do this as part of updating now) or the OS helpfully tells me my browser is damaged and needs to be deleted.
  - foxrider 2y ago
    Librewolf is available on Microsoft Store officially tho
  - egberts1 2y ago
    Waterfox got bought by an advertisement company System1. Not surprisen that Waterfox can be signed by Microsoft.
    - halJordan 2y ago
      It's been independent again since 2023, so multiple years
      - egberts1 2y ago
        Did you check for changes in its Article of Board or Incorporation? Stealth BoD(s)?
MrLeap 2y ago
> One other thing I'm really hopeful is to embed Ladybird engine in a "first class" way. Think of if as an Electron alternative but in a sane way. I have the same hope. If it were performant enough I would find reasons to use it for gamedev, even with quirks.
foxrider 2y ago
Waterfox got bought by an advertisement company System1. You should looka at Zen Browser or Librewolf instead.
- halJordan 2y ago
  It's been independent since 2023, so multiple years
niutech 2y ago
Servo is already embeddable, you can use it in Tauri (https://servo.org/blog/2024/01/19/embedding-update/ https://servo.org/blog/2024/01/19/embedding-update/) or Qt (https://www.kdab.com/embedding-servo-in-qt/ https://www.kdab.com/embedding-servo-in-qt/).

discardedrefuse 2y ago

Waterfox looks worth a try, but I opted for LibreWolf because it's verified on Flathub and Waterfox is not. It looks like the Flathub version of Waterfox was packaged the same BrowserWorks Ltd that makes Waterfox, but they didn't take the extra steps to get verified so we can't be sure. Hopefully they can remedy that. Browsers are too important to install from untrusted sources.

wongarsu 2y ago
For what it's worth, it's the opposite situation on Windows: The Waterfox installer is signed (even with an Extended Validation certificate), the LibreWolf installer isn't. Another thing that surprised me is that there is a Waterfox Android build in the Play Store. Reviews of that are however mixed.
- gs17 2y ago
  Similar on macOS, the LibreWolf team (somewhat understandably) refuses to pay for Apple's developer account to notarize their builds, so every update I have to remove the quarantine extended attribute (Homebrew can do this as part of updating now) or the OS helpfully tells me my browser is damaged and needs to be deleted.
- foxrider 2y ago
  Librewolf is available on Microsoft Store officially tho
- egberts1 2y ago
  Waterfox got bought by an advertisement company System1. Not surprisen that Waterfox can be signed by Microsoft.
  - halJordan 2y ago
    It's been independent again since 2023, so multiple years
    - egberts1 2y ago
      Did you check for changes in its Article of Board or Incorporation? Stealth BoD(s)?

MrLeap 2y ago

> One other thing I'm really hopeful is to embed Ladybird engine in a "first class" way. Think of if as an Electron alternative but in a sane way. I have the same hope. If it were performant enough I would find reasons to use it for gamedev, even with quirks.

foxrider 2y ago

Waterfox got bought by an advertisement company System1. You should looka at Zen Browser or Librewolf instead.

halJordan 2y ago
It's been independent since 2023, so multiple years

niutech 2y ago

Servo is already embeddable, you can use it in Tauri (https://servo.org/blog/2024/01/19/embedding-update/ https://servo.org/blog/2024/01/19/embedding-update/) or Qt (https://www.kdab.com/embedding-servo-in-qt/ https://www.kdab.com/embedding-servo-in-qt/).