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"woke" has no meaning these days. It's just a placeholder for "I don't like it".

by duxup 2y ago

walrus01 2y ago
"woke" and "socialist" is everything to the left of hunting the homeless for sport, these days.
- OccamsMirror 2y ago
  I think you mean hunting them for biodiesel, ala the Butterfly Revolution?
- yes_really 2y ago
  Is this post an instance of that? The following requirements were part of the program [1]. Are you really unable to see how this can fairly be described as "woke"? > In addition, states had to prove that they promoted participation from minority-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, and “other socially or economically disadvantaged individual-owned businesses.” They also had to create a Five-Year Action Plan that required collaborating with unions and “underrepresented communities,” including prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color. [1] https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-trump https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-tr...
UltraSane 2y ago
No, it is a tool for demagogues to demonize things they oppose.
- imoverclocked 2y ago
  It's a dog whistle for followers of those same demagogues.
- deleted 2y ago
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rayiner 2y ago
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- RangerScience 2y ago
  Would that then mean that the historical practice of red-lining is a “woke” practice, since it injected race and identity preferences into a program?
  - rayiner 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - wredcoll 2y ago
      Please don't lie like that here. There are other places on the internet for that.
      - juanani 2y ago
        [dead]
      - wruza 2y ago
        Opinions can’t be lies, and from what the internet tries to sneak into my feeds, this resonates pretty well (I mostly get it from the gamers perspective). Ignoring this or calling it a lie creates a tension that no amount of actual good will can overcome.
        unclebucknasty 2y ago
        >Opinions can’t be lies But, they can be based on false info or deliberately misleading reasoning, or stated in bad faith with the intent to deceive.
        intended 2y ago
        There’s no need for good will. If I have to break into the difference between disingenuous, malign, and wrong, I’m going to waste time and calories on a rhetorical approach aimed at wasting time and calories.
hooverd 2y ago
people say woke with a hard-r nowadays
- Vaslo 2y ago
  Nah, people with woke are just the winners right now, and you can’t stand it.
yes_really 2y ago
No, woke is well understood to be about identity politics. The following requirements were part of the program [1]. Are you really unable to see how this can be described as "woke"? > In addition, states had to prove that they promoted participation from minority-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, and “other socially or economically disadvantaged individual-owned businesses.” They also had to create a Five-Year Action Plan that required collaborating with unions and “underrepresented communities,” including prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color. [1] https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-trump https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-tr...
- walrus01 2y ago
  You seem so concerned about correcting other people on your personal definition of "woke" that you've copied and pasted the exact same comment into two separate places in this thread.
  - yes_really 2y ago
    No, It's not my "personal definition" of woke. I wrote "woke is well understood to be about identity politics.". Do you deny that "woke" is well understood to be about identity politics? It is hard to believe you were not aware of how the term is used. I believe you are being deliberately obtuse.
    - walrus01 2y ago
      "woke" encompasses far more than that, it's about being aware of the past 500 years of global history, systematic systems of oppression, racism, discrimination, religious wars, a reasonable understanding of the root causes of the major wars of the past 100 years and their aftermath, various genocides, pogroms, assassinations, coup d'etat, economic disparities between wealthy nations and developing nations, global patterns of push and pull factors for immigration, the role that major international organizations like the UN, NATO, EU play in global politics, culturally specific implementations and practices of non-binary and non-heterosexual gender norms in cultures very alien to western european cultural backgrounds, I could go on for quite some time. now in its current implementation as a derogatory term by a certain political sect in the usa, "woke" has come to mean "anything we dislike which is vaguely left of center that encompasses the well known tenets of progressive/liberal/leftist politics".

"woke" has no meaning these days. It's just a placeholder for "I don't like it".

by duxup 2y ago

"woke" has no meaning these days. It's just a placeholder for "I don't like it".

walrus01 2y ago

"woke" and "socialist" is everything to the left of hunting the homeless for sport, these days.

OccamsMirror 2y ago
I think you mean hunting them for biodiesel, ala the Butterfly Revolution?
yes_really 2y ago
Is this post an instance of that? The following requirements were part of the program [1]. Are you really unable to see how this can fairly be described as "woke"? > In addition, states had to prove that they promoted participation from minority-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, and “other socially or economically disadvantaged individual-owned businesses.” They also had to create a Five-Year Action Plan that required collaborating with unions and “underrepresented communities,” including prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color. [1] https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-trump https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-tr...

UltraSane 2y ago

No, it is a tool for demagogues to demonize things they oppose.

imoverclocked 2y ago
It's a dog whistle for followers of those same demagogues.
deleted 2y ago
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rayiner 2y ago

[flagged]

RangerScience 2y ago
Would that then mean that the historical practice of red-lining is a “woke” practice, since it injected race and identity preferences into a program?
- rayiner 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - wredcoll 2y ago
    Please don't lie like that here. There are other places on the internet for that.
    - juanani 2y ago
      [dead]
    - wruza 2y ago
      Opinions can’t be lies, and from what the internet tries to sneak into my feeds, this resonates pretty well (I mostly get it from the gamers perspective). Ignoring this or calling it a lie creates a tension that no amount of actual good will can overcome.
      - unclebucknasty 2y ago
        >Opinions can’t be lies But, they can be based on false info or deliberately misleading reasoning, or stated in bad faith with the intent to deceive.
      - intended 2y ago
        There’s no need for good will. If I have to break into the difference between disingenuous, malign, and wrong, I’m going to waste time and calories on a rhetorical approach aimed at wasting time and calories.

hooverd 2y ago

people say woke with a hard-r nowadays

Vaslo 2y ago
Nah, people with woke are just the winners right now, and you can’t stand it.

yes_really 2y ago

No, woke is well understood to be about identity politics. The following requirements were part of the program [1]. Are you really unable to see how this can be described as "woke"? > In addition, states had to prove that they promoted participation from minority-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, and “other socially or economically disadvantaged individual-owned businesses.” They also had to create a Five-Year Action Plan that required collaborating with unions and “underrepresented communities,” including prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color. [1] https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-trump https://www.thefp.com/p/inside-biden-broadband-boondoggle-tr...

walrus01 2y ago
You seem so concerned about correcting other people on your personal definition of "woke" that you've copied and pasted the exact same comment into two separate places in this thread.
- yes_really 2y ago
  No, It's not my "personal definition" of woke. I wrote "woke is well understood to be about identity politics.". Do you deny that "woke" is well understood to be about identity politics? It is hard to believe you were not aware of how the term is used. I believe you are being deliberately obtuse.
  - walrus01 2y ago
    "woke" encompasses far more than that, it's about being aware of the past 500 years of global history, systematic systems of oppression, racism, discrimination, religious wars, a reasonable understanding of the root causes of the major wars of the past 100 years and their aftermath, various genocides, pogroms, assassinations, coup d'etat, economic disparities between wealthy nations and developing nations, global patterns of push and pull factors for immigration, the role that major international organizations like the UN, NATO, EU play in global politics, culturally specific implementations and practices of non-binary and non-heterosexual gender norms in cultures very alien to western european cultural backgrounds, I could go on for quite some time. now in its current implementation as a derogatory term by a certain political sect in the usa, "woke" has come to mean "anything we dislike which is vaguely left of center that encompasses the well known tenets of progressive/liberal/leftist politics".