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White House official threatens to redraw Canadian border

29 points by belter 2y ago

duxup 2y ago
Bunch of children in the executive branch.
- taylodl 2y ago
  I expect children to be better-behaved.
- nine_zeros 2y ago
  I think you spelled bullies incorrectly.
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  That's a lighthearted way to put it.
PeterCorless 2y ago
World beware.
pinewurst 2y ago
https://archive.ph/CA8Rq https://archive.ph/CA8Rq
legitster 2y ago
Discouraging stuff. Seeds sown in pettiness by one generation will be reaped by destruction in the next. A key to America's prosperity is that we have not shared a border with an adversary for over 200 years. This madness is not just pissing off a (literally) close ally, it's making a foundation for future unresolved conflicts. This administration does not understand history, and takes peace for granted.
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  They may just have different priorities than you and I. Global stability, peace, preserving what's left of America's affable reputation... these things certainly are important to me, but maybe not to them.
- narratives1 2y ago
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  - toast0 2y ago
    > Trump has an incredible track record of deal making, his entire career is built off rubbing shoulders and negotiating and making deals. Certainly he makes a lot more deals than me. He also ends up with bankrupt companies and defaulting on payments a lot more often than me. I've lived through a County bankruptcy [1], and I would rather not deal with a federal bankruptcy because someone wanted to make a deal, without worrying about the long term consequences. [1] https://www.ocregister.com/2019/12/06/heres-how-orange-county-went-broke/ https://www.ocregister.com/2019/12/06/heres-how-orange-count...
    - narratives1 2y ago
      Doing big impactful things is hard, of course he’s failed here and there. On balance, it’s made him a billionaire. His successes minus his failures still far and away surpass your abilities in this area (deal making). Any argument that rests on “Donald Trump is not doing a good job at negotiating here” is suspect by default
  - Jtsummers 2y ago
    > - Do we want China or Russia or America to most shape the global order? Those are the choices As things stand now it won't be Russia, they've gotten themselves into a mess in Ukraine that's significantly draining their economic and military resources. Between China and the US, China is not the one currently burning bridges around the globe. US hegemony relied on mostly positive relations and power projection (both soft and hard). Scrapping our soft power and trading it for a bigger stick that's also being threatened with dismantling is unlikely to help the US retain its hegemony. Not to mention the military is an expensive stick and the cuts to revenue will result in even bigger deficits if it's maintained at its current level.
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davecb 2y ago
Unconfirmed reports have Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom considering dropping the United States from the five eyes, and inviting the EU in its place. The putative reason is that they are concerned about the shared information being used by Mr Trump in a manner harmful to the other countries. In addition, Mr Trump has proposed that the five eyes expel Canada, because of their current economic disagreements. That doesn't sit well with anyone (:-))
jfengel 2y ago
Yeah! Fifty-four forty or fight! It wouldn't be quite as good as annexing all of Canada, but I think that includes something like 90% of all Canadians.
Ekaros 2y ago
Time to enact Article 5. Let's see how good NATO is.

29 points by belter 2y ago

duxup 2y ago

Bunch of children in the executive branch.

taylodl 2y ago
I expect children to be better-behaved.
nine_zeros 2y ago
I think you spelled bullies incorrectly.
thomassmith65 2y ago
That's a lighthearted way to put it.

PeterCorless 2y ago

World beware.

pinewurst 2y ago

https://archive.ph/CA8Rq https://archive.ph/CA8Rq

legitster 2y ago

Discouraging stuff. Seeds sown in pettiness by one generation will be reaped by destruction in the next. A key to America's prosperity is that we have not shared a border with an adversary for over 200 years. This madness is not just pissing off a (literally) close ally, it's making a foundation for future unresolved conflicts. This administration does not understand history, and takes peace for granted.

thomassmith65 2y ago
They may just have different priorities than you and I. Global stability, peace, preserving what's left of America's affable reputation... these things certainly are important to me, but maybe not to them.
narratives1 2y ago
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- toast0 2y ago
  > Trump has an incredible track record of deal making, his entire career is built off rubbing shoulders and negotiating and making deals. Certainly he makes a lot more deals than me. He also ends up with bankrupt companies and defaulting on payments a lot more often than me. I've lived through a County bankruptcy [1], and I would rather not deal with a federal bankruptcy because someone wanted to make a deal, without worrying about the long term consequences. [1] https://www.ocregister.com/2019/12/06/heres-how-orange-county-went-broke/ https://www.ocregister.com/2019/12/06/heres-how-orange-count...
  - narratives1 2y ago
    Doing big impactful things is hard, of course he’s failed here and there. On balance, it’s made him a billionaire. His successes minus his failures still far and away surpass your abilities in this area (deal making). Any argument that rests on “Donald Trump is not doing a good job at negotiating here” is suspect by default
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  > - Do we want China or Russia or America to most shape the global order? Those are the choices As things stand now it won't be Russia, they've gotten themselves into a mess in Ukraine that's significantly draining their economic and military resources. Between China and the US, China is not the one currently burning bridges around the globe. US hegemony relied on mostly positive relations and power projection (both soft and hard). Scrapping our soft power and trading it for a bigger stick that's also being threatened with dismantling is unlikely to help the US retain its hegemony. Not to mention the military is an expensive stick and the cuts to revenue will result in even bigger deficits if it's maintained at its current level.

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davecb 2y ago

Unconfirmed reports have Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom considering dropping the United States from the five eyes, and inviting the EU in its place. The putative reason is that they are concerned about the shared information being used by Mr Trump in a manner harmful to the other countries. In addition, Mr Trump has proposed that the five eyes expel Canada, because of their current economic disagreements. That doesn't sit well with anyone (:-))

jfengel 2y ago

Yeah! Fifty-four forty or fight! It wouldn't be quite as good as annexing all of Canada, but I think that includes something like 90% of all Canadians.

Ekaros 2y ago

Time to enact Article 5. Let's see how good NATO is.