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Would be nice. But they all work just fine with wine and/or proton.

by tete 2y ago

insane_dreamer 2y ago
I haven't tried wine in ~15 years, but it was pretty useless for gaming back then. Has it much improved?
- Sesse__ 2y ago
  Basically the entire premise of the Steam Deck is built on WINE (via a Valve-developed fork, Proton).
  - sho_hn 2y ago
    Noting that Proton is regularly rebased on upstream, and Valve is contracting CodeWeavers, the same company which employs many core Wine contributors. Fork is certainly technically the correct word, but "distribution" might give more the right impression.
- khedoros1 2y ago
  When someone releases a game in a Windows version and a Linux version, the current Wine-based compatibility layers mean that the Windows one is more likely to run without issue than the native binary is. I built a Linux gaming desktop 5 years ago. The only thing that regularly causes more than minor issues is that many online games use incompatible anticheat technology. I pretty much play exclusively single-player games on PC, so it hasn't been a practical issue for me.
- Rebelgecko 2y ago
  It's pretty awesome. Some of the compatibility layers built on Wine (Valve's Proton/Codeweavers Crossover/Whisky) are almost plug and play. With Steam on Linux, a lot of games work seamlessly. I've only ran into trouble with very new games and multiplayer games with invasive anti-cheat that freaks out when they're running in an environment that doesn't look like a normal windows install The performance hit is surprisingly low. It's not rare for the windows binary to run better on linux than the native one (when it's an option)
- lucb1e 2y ago
  Just yesterday I got the Linux version of an indie game made with Unity and it doesn't even launch. Fetched the Windows build, ran "wine game.exe" and it just ran. Couple other things (C# projects iirc) also worked well This is not a Unity game, but especially with ancient stuff like Red Alert? I would certainly try it and expect good results. Some years ago, Wine always used to give me trouble and never worked unless you used some special blend of options (like Proton and PlayOnLinux help with). Maybe those times have passed
- seba_dos1 2y ago
  These days Wine works better than Windows for some kinds of games.
- account42 2y ago
  Wine was far from useless for gaming ing 2010.
- alex7o 2y ago
  Man wine works on Android now, with stuff like winlator. I saw a video of someone playing fallout 4.
josephg 2y ago
Did they eventually fix the game desync bug that would happen when you have a multi-core CPU? We used to play Generals at LAN parties all the time - but once multicore CPUs hit the market, it was difficult to just get to the end of a game, because peers would desync and you'd suddenly find yourself playing singleplayer. Its clearly some race condition in the game engine which makes the game non-deterministic in a multicore situation. Does anyone know - is that still a problem?
- skhr0680 2y ago
  I'm going to be nice to the net code and say that it has issues because of its age, but multicore CPUs don't cause any issues as far as I know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS0UL9QC2c4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS0UL9QC2c4
chpatrick 2y ago
Generals has a really annoying issue where it just desynchronizes and drops you out of a multiplayer game after a random amount of time.

Would be nice. But they all work just fine with wine and/or proton.

by tete 2y ago

Would be nice. But they all work just fine with wine and/or proton.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

I haven't tried wine in ~15 years, but it was pretty useless for gaming back then. Has it much improved?

Sesse__ 2y ago
Basically the entire premise of the Steam Deck is built on WINE (via a Valve-developed fork, Proton).
- sho_hn 2y ago
  Noting that Proton is regularly rebased on upstream, and Valve is contracting CodeWeavers, the same company which employs many core Wine contributors. Fork is certainly technically the correct word, but "distribution" might give more the right impression.
khedoros1 2y ago
When someone releases a game in a Windows version and a Linux version, the current Wine-based compatibility layers mean that the Windows one is more likely to run without issue than the native binary is. I built a Linux gaming desktop 5 years ago. The only thing that regularly causes more than minor issues is that many online games use incompatible anticheat technology. I pretty much play exclusively single-player games on PC, so it hasn't been a practical issue for me.
Rebelgecko 2y ago
It's pretty awesome. Some of the compatibility layers built on Wine (Valve's Proton/Codeweavers Crossover/Whisky) are almost plug and play. With Steam on Linux, a lot of games work seamlessly. I've only ran into trouble with very new games and multiplayer games with invasive anti-cheat that freaks out when they're running in an environment that doesn't look like a normal windows install The performance hit is surprisingly low. It's not rare for the windows binary to run better on linux than the native one (when it's an option)
lucb1e 2y ago
Just yesterday I got the Linux version of an indie game made with Unity and it doesn't even launch. Fetched the Windows build, ran "wine game.exe" and it just ran. Couple other things (C# projects iirc) also worked well This is not a Unity game, but especially with ancient stuff like Red Alert? I would certainly try it and expect good results. Some years ago, Wine always used to give me trouble and never worked unless you used some special blend of options (like Proton and PlayOnLinux help with). Maybe those times have passed
seba_dos1 2y ago
These days Wine works better than Windows for some kinds of games.
account42 2y ago
Wine was far from useless for gaming ing 2010.
alex7o 2y ago
Man wine works on Android now, with stuff like winlator. I saw a video of someone playing fallout 4.

josephg 2y ago

Did they eventually fix the game desync bug that would happen when you have a multi-core CPU? We used to play Generals at LAN parties all the time - but once multicore CPUs hit the market, it was difficult to just get to the end of a game, because peers would desync and you'd suddenly find yourself playing singleplayer. Its clearly some race condition in the game engine which makes the game non-deterministic in a multicore situation. Does anyone know - is that still a problem?

skhr0680 2y ago
I'm going to be nice to the net code and say that it has issues because of its age, but multicore CPUs don't cause any issues as far as I know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS0UL9QC2c4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS0UL9QC2c4

chpatrick 2y ago

Generals has a really annoying issue where it just desynchronizes and drops you out of a multiplayer game after a random amount of time.