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I don't think this has been true, at least for most newspapers, for many years now. The NYTimes opinion pages are a complete echo chamber for instance, and if c

I don't think this has been true, at least for most newspapers, for many years now. The NYTimes opinion pages are a complete echo chamber for instance, and if contrarian opinions are published, heads roll. For instance they "retired" their opinion head after he allowed the publication of an opinion piece from a Senator Tom Cotton suggesting that troops should be used to quell the violent/destructive riots in 2020. Reading the opinion pages 30 years back everything was very different, but times have changed to where big name papers are mostly just the news shoehorned into a tidy bias confirming package. In many ways I respect what Bezos is doing because it entirely drops the farcical pretext of balance.

consteval 2y ago
I don't think this is true either, and the reason I say that is because it depends on who you ask. Many will claim NYT has been overly generous in regards to Trump leading up to the election, often choosing not to comment on Trump's more suspicious speech and interpreting his words in a gracious context. While others claim NYT is has an obvious left-wing bias. The fact people can't even agree which way the bias goes demonstrates to me the bias is not as severe as those aforementioned people claim.
- somenameforme 2y ago
  Right, and plenty of conservatives also claim that Fox News is not really conservative anymore. A fact one may not be aware of if they live in this bubble or that. The nature of echo chambers is that it normalizes far from normal behavior/views/actions to the point that then not going even further away from normalcy is seen as toeing the line or even yielding to "the other side." This is, by far, the most destructive issue with the trend of media spinning everything to conform to the biases of their target demographic.
  - consteval 2y ago
    I completely agree, and I think this is most noticeable on online spaces like twitter. Relenting on a point even just a tad is perceived as being an agent of the "other side". So radical opinions, be it neo-nazism or white supremacy, end up shifting everything rightward. Because even though most people agree, usually that agreement needs to be qualified. And, you give an inch over and over and before you know it you're somewhere entirely different from where you've started.

consteval 2y ago

I don't think this is true either, and the reason I say that is because it depends on who you ask. Many will claim NYT has been overly generous in regards to Trump leading up to the election, often choosing not to comment on Trump's more suspicious speech and interpreting his words in a gracious context. While others claim NYT is has an obvious left-wing bias. The fact people can't even agree which way the bias goes demonstrates to me the bias is not as severe as those aforementioned people claim.

somenameforme 2y ago
Right, and plenty of conservatives also claim that Fox News is not really conservative anymore. A fact one may not be aware of if they live in this bubble or that. The nature of echo chambers is that it normalizes far from normal behavior/views/actions to the point that then not going even further away from normalcy is seen as toeing the line or even yielding to "the other side." This is, by far, the most destructive issue with the trend of media spinning everything to conform to the biases of their target demographic.
- consteval 2y ago
  I completely agree, and I think this is most noticeable on online spaces like twitter. Relenting on a point even just a tad is perceived as being an agent of the "other side". So radical opinions, be it neo-nazism or white supremacy, end up shifting everything rightward. Because even though most people agree, usually that agreement needs to be qualified. And, you give an inch over and over and before you know it you're somewhere entirely different from where you've started.