I appreciate your arguments and know they are in good faith. I think we would have an edifying debate in person! I'm not going to reply to everything as I thin

I appreciate your arguments and know they are in good faith. I think we would have an edifying debate in person! I'm not going to reply to everything as I think our viewpoints are tricky to reconcile, since we find different things to be moral/immoral. That's fine, but it might not be productive. However, I acknowledge your position and know it reflects much popular sentiment; I cannot dispute that. if you believe that it's not bad to take someone's effort without their consent and without compensating them for it, then you shouldn't object to your employer withholding wages from you I think this gets to the crux of our difference. Employment is an explicit contract that binds two parties to honor their obligations. If someone posts a blog post openly, busks in the street, or does some graffiti art, I don't think observers have any obligations beyond an implicit idea of "experience this in any way you like as long as it's legal". Whether you prefer 'legal' or 'moral' there, it brings us back to the problem that we disagree on the morality/legality of the core issue. Given the constraints of this venue, not to mention our time, I'm happy to recognize this difference and leave it unsettled. That's the "law is morality" fallacy. Morally, this is clearly wrong, the point of the copyright system is to prevent exactly things like this from happening. The courts have not yet decided whether training an LLM is "copying" a copyrighted work, but if they do, then it's clearly illegal. If that should come to pass, I agree. However, your suggested fallacy then comes into play the other way around. Merely because a legal precedent may be set does not change my opinion that it is not immoral. That is a point on which we clearly differ and one I think would be fascinating to debate if only in a more appropriate venue as I may even be won over but have not been by any arguments so far.