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I go another notch: Why are so many different ones with so little major changes. If you experience the `shell` of FoxPro DOS or other tools you will see how po

by mamcx 2y ago

I go another notch: Why are so many different ones with so little major changes. If you experience the `shell` of FoxPro DOS or other tools you will see how poor are the ones we tolerate now. Is like we still live in the age of `ed`. (I even remember one of this projects have the joke that is finally a `terminal for the 90s!` or something like. Shells in common use a very poor things!)

specialist 2y ago
Yup. Have you read Jef Raskin's The Humane Interface? It's an explainer and retrospective for his Canon Cat. I want more of that foundation, vision, concept. With the recent renewed interest textual user interfaces (TUIs), maybe this cycle we'll tact a little closer to that utopian future perfect omni-shell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humane_Interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humane_Interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jef_Raskin#Pioneering_the_information_appliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jef_Raskin#Pioneering_the_info... -- And another thing (I say curmudgeonly)... bash (and csh), the progenator of all modern shells, is just one realization. Iteration and refinement are double awesome. We're seeing crazy awesome new variants, like Warp.app, oil shell, fish, and so forth. Yea for evolution! But I would also hope today's youngsters take a moment to review the genesis of all the modern ideas we now take for granted. From memory, in no particular order: Engelbart's Mother of All Demos Raskin's original vision for Macintosh Nelson's Xanadu Higgins art philosophy of "intermedia" Xerox PARC cybernetics Atkinson's HyperCard etc. The founders had motivations, insights, and ideas. Necessarily limited or ignored by feasibility. It's worth understand their ideas directly, for better or worse, not just thru subsequent intepretations. With 60+ years of progress and gestation, surely there are even more tangents worth exploring.
weakfish 2y ago
It’s actually fish that has that tagline :)
pseudalopex 2y ago
Most people reading this didn't experience FoxPro DOS probably. Why not say more?

by mamcx 2y ago

specialist 2y ago

Yup. Have you read Jef Raskin's The Humane Interface? It's an explainer and retrospective for his Canon Cat. I want more of that foundation, vision, concept. With the recent renewed interest textual user interfaces (TUIs), maybe this cycle we'll tact a little closer to that utopian future perfect omni-shell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humane_Interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humane_Interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jef_Raskin#Pioneering_the_information_appliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jef_Raskin#Pioneering_the_info... -- And another thing (I say curmudgeonly)... bash (and csh), the progenator of all modern shells, is just one realization. Iteration and refinement are double awesome. We're seeing crazy awesome new variants, like Warp.app, oil shell, fish, and so forth. Yea for evolution! But I would also hope today's youngsters take a moment to review the genesis of all the modern ideas we now take for granted. From memory, in no particular order: Engelbart's Mother of All Demos Raskin's original vision for Macintosh Nelson's Xanadu Higgins art philosophy of "intermedia" Xerox PARC cybernetics Atkinson's HyperCard etc. The founders had motivations, insights, and ideas. Necessarily limited or ignored by feasibility. It's worth understand their ideas directly, for better or worse, not just thru subsequent intepretations. With 60+ years of progress and gestation, surely there are even more tangents worth exploring.

weakfish 2y ago

It’s actually fish that has that tagline :)

pseudalopex 2y ago

Most people reading this didn't experience FoxPro DOS probably. Why not say more?