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> At this point if you have any commitment to the truth, you will have a "leftist" bias. This is some grandiose appeal that's shared by both sides of the polit

> At this point if you have any commitment to the truth, you will have a "leftist" bias. This is some grandiose appeal that's shared by both sides of the political coin. People generally assume that reality matches their experience and opinions.

thrance 2y ago
Notice I put leftist in quotes, at this point it's more about how the right is fully divorced from reality than anything related to the left. Reread the examples I gave and defend them, or show me some as egregious as these ones coming from Biden or Harris.
mmooss 2y ago
Reality is independent of experience and opinions - that's the point. 'Leftist' opinions match reality better - e.g., climate change, Ukraine, vaccines, crime, etc. etc.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Reality means different things to each side. It reminds me of the old "Reality-based community[1]" quote by an aide to the G.W. Bush administration, widely attributed to senior advisor Karl Rove: The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'. This school of thought is still alive and kicking among Republicans: Reality is what we conjure up as we do and say things--it's not some concrete, discernible thing that can be observed. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community
  - thrance 2y ago
    That resonates with Kellyane Conway's "alternative facts" [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts?wprov=sfla1
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  What is "reality"? For each of your examples, I can make valid points for both sides off the top of my head. Different things are more important to different people.

thrance 2y ago

Notice I put leftist in quotes, at this point it's more about how the right is fully divorced from reality than anything related to the left. Reread the examples I gave and defend them, or show me some as egregious as these ones coming from Biden or Harris.

mmooss 2y ago

Reality is independent of experience and opinions - that's the point. 'Leftist' opinions match reality better - e.g., climate change, Ukraine, vaccines, crime, etc. etc.

ryandrake 2y ago
Reality means different things to each side. It reminds me of the old "Reality-based community[1]" quote by an aide to the G.W. Bush administration, widely attributed to senior advisor Karl Rove: The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'. This school of thought is still alive and kicking among Republicans: Reality is what we conjure up as we do and say things--it's not some concrete, discernible thing that can be observed. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community
- thrance 2y ago
  That resonates with Kellyane Conway's "alternative facts" [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts?wprov=sfla1
selfmodruntime 2y ago
What is "reality"? For each of your examples, I can make valid points for both sides off the top of my head. Different things are more important to different people.