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Pretty damning: > One of these phones (the bottom-right one) became the Samsung F700 - a product Apple once included as an infringing product, but later withdr
by eta_carinae 14y ago
Pretty damning:
> One of these phones (the bottom-right one) became the Samsung F700 - a product Apple once included as an infringing product, but later withdrew once it learned Samsung created it and brought it to market before the iPhone
The more this thing goes on, the more it feels like Apple is filing all the possible lawsuits they can more in order to slow down their competitors than because they have valid claims.
I miss the days when they did not need to do this because their products were simply better than the competition.
- woobar 14y agoThis been discussed a million times already: "the phone was first introduced at the 3GSM World Congress that was held in February 2007. Sales to the European market started November 2007" [1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_SGH-F700 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_SGH-F700 Edit: typo
- blinkingled 14y agoSamsung filed a patent for the phone's design in Dec 2006. Must have been working on it at least some time before that. iPhone was introduced on Jan 9, 2007.
- woobar 14y agoMy argument is mostly about this bit "Samsung ... brought it to market before the iPhone". Also, I saw Korean patent reference in the article I've linked to. There is no proof of that patent. Korea patent search [1] probably broken. Doesn't return any phone patents or design patents applied for in December 2006 [1]http://detseng.kipris.or.kr/ndetsen/loin1000a.do?method=loginDG&searchType=A# http://detseng.kipris.or.kr/ndetsen/loin1000a.do?method=logi...
- stock_toaster 14y agoI thought samsung manufactured large portions of the first iphone. I am sure apple spent more than a few months testing, designing, and working with manufacturing partners to build parts to spec, etc. I make no assumption on whether they did or didn't, but couldn't samsung have cribbed some notes during that timeframe?
- blinkingled 14y agoFrom the recent comments of Samsung design chief the Samsung subsidiary making parts for Apple is different and independent from the one that makes smartphones. Samsung smartphones division competes for parts same way Apple does -- they don't always use Samsung made parts in fact. Other problem is that Samsung only makes some parts of the iphone -, there is no reason to think they had finished product design before the iphone was announced.
- stock_toaster 14y agoAh. Great info thanks.
- InclinedPlane 14y agoWhat days were those? Apple has been filing these sorts of lawsuits for ages and ages.
- sien 14y agoApple spent years suing MS in the 1980s and 1990s because of claims that MS used ideas from Apple, rather than Xerox, in creating a windowed shell for an OS. So the days when Apple thought they didn't need to do this were the days of the Apple II.
- taligent 14y agoCurious that you decided to leave out the 2000's decade. In a coma or something ?
- Gigablah 14y ago> In a coma or something ? Was that necessary?
- drivebyacct2 14y agoRead his comments, he's basically a pro-Apple, anti-Google troll.
- rbanffy 14y agoThe Xerox GUI (as implemented in the Star) had no concept of drag and drop or pull down menus. It didn't expose much of a file system (as Lisa and Mac do). Apple added all that and Windows 1, after the Lisa was launched, opted to also have them. So, yes. Both Apple and Microsoft borrowed a lot from Xerox, but Microsoft really copied a lot from what Apple did.
- zik 14y agoXerox had the first "fixed drop-down menu". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_i... Apple's Jef Raskin did come up with drag-and-drop though so that's pretty much the one original thing they did.
- masklinn 14y ago
- guelo 14y agoThe saddest part is that it looks like Apple is successfully killing HTC. At least Samsung has been able to fight back.
- fpgeek 14y agoEspecially since all the nitpicking about what Samsung did or didn't do and what is or isn't ok in that is completely irrelevant for HTC. HTC has had their own design language for quite some time. If you can't immediately tell the difference between an HTC phone (or tablet) and an iPhone (or iPad) when they're put next to each other (and I've seen plenty), you either have rocks in your head or you're lying. Apple suing HTC is the easiest way to see that they're not going after "copyists" (whatever they are), they're going after competitors wherever they can, by hook or by crook.
- _djo_ 14y agoActually, looking at comparative sales figures, it looks like Samsung is killing HTC by gobbling up its customers. The Apple lawsuits have a minuscule impact in comparison.