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The national debt ($36.22 T) is the total amount of outstanding borrowing by the U.S. Federal Government accumulated over the nation’s history. Doge is doing w

by _9za9 2y ago

The national debt ($36.22 T) is the total amount of outstanding borrowing by the U.S. Federal Government accumulated over the nation’s history. Doge is doing what every other administration in history has failed to do.

aqueueaqueue 2y ago
That is true, the debt is rediculous. Doge approach to fix it by firing people without knowing what they do is just stupid. It creates more cost long term. To cut debt why not say... increase corporation tax. Fix healthcare so it isn't a rip off. Deconstruct the various complexes: military, prison etc. Stop giving money to Israel. Let illegal immigrants stay because they pay tax without getting social security. I don't think Trump and Elon are serious people.
- dormento 2y ago
  > I don't think Trump and Elon are serious people. I still can't get over the stupid name. "DOGE".
  - sejje 2y ago
    Stupidest name, I truly hate it. Especially if we pronounce it "dough-ge" In conversation, I feel forced to use the entire (non-acronym) name.
- sejje 2y ago
  > Deconstruct the various complexes: military, prison etc This is more-or-less (part of?) what DOGE purports to do. Just not the "complexes" that you want.
  - aqueueaqueue 2y ago
    The ones I want are a twofer: ethics and savings!
- dworkr 2y ago
  "illegal immigrants stay because they pay tax without getting social security." Why not just make it global? Shouldn't social security should be a human right. Also, why make laws around citizenship if you do not want them?
  - aqueueaqueue 2y ago
    Because it is a complex world of contradictions.
lawn 2y ago
You know that what Doge is doing is a rounding error compared to the tax cuts the current administration is implementing? So the net result is a gigantic increase to the already ridiculous national debt.
aqueueaqueue 2y ago
And oh look https://www.americanprogress.org/article/congressional-republicans-budget-plans-would-force-americas-working-class-to-foot-the-bill-for-tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/congressional-repub... The old gut the company, get it more in debt and pay rich person a big dividend trick, but applied go the USA.
- sejje 2y ago
  Their article doesn't support their headline IMO
mattbrewsbytes 2y ago
The cost of employees in the Federal gov is less than 5% of the total Federal budget. There are already agencies with oversight of spending and Congress sets the budget usually in the fall timeframe but it varies per department/agency. Firing/laying off non-political appointee federal employees, aka civil service employees, will do nearly nothing to save money. The Federal government isn't a software company where one of the most expensive things is the cost of people. If the budget is about $6,000B per year, 5% of that is $300B and if the target is laying off 10%, you are talking $30B. It sounds like a lot of money to a person but that means your federal budget is now $5,970B. Basic budgeting concepts - if you wanted to save a lot of money you wouldn't be looking at something which only accounts for 5% of your budget. It would be like if your personal debt keeps increasing each year and you have a $800/mo car payment, $4000/mo mortgage, etc. and think eliminating 1 coffee run per week will save you.
- _9za9 2y ago
  Have you seen doge.gov? It is not just about firing the do-nothing remote federal workers.
  - reaperducer 2y ago
    Have you seen doge.gov? It is not just about firing the do-nothing remote federal workers. Have you bothered to look up the actual hard statistics that show that federal workers work more and harder than those in private sector companies? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/21/are-federal-workers-lazy-lets-look-data/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/21/are-feder... Warning: You will have to exit your echo chamber.
    - _9za9 2y ago
      Tell me to exit my echo chamber as you post a liberal source for a liberal narrative, nice! Try finding factual statistics and report back, we will wait.
      - 2y ago
reaperducer 2y ago
Doge is doing what every other administration in history has failed to do. Here's a fun exercise: Go look up how much of that debt was incurred during the previous Trump administration. Go ahead and look. We'll wait.
- _9za9 2y ago
  We are in 2025 now. DEI has been born and died since the administration you refer to, let alone there was no DOGE at that time. Have another hot take?
  - reaperducer 2y ago
    I'll take that as an admission that you didn't even bother to look.
  - aqueueaqueue 2y ago
    So we can't look at the presidents track record because it's different this time TM
TheAlchemist 2y ago
Everybody agrees the deficit is too big. The problem people have with DOGE, is that it's in itself a fraud. Musk empire is based on government contracts and subsides. And somwehow, he's now deciding what's being cut. As for fraud that DOGE is uncovering, can you point to some real fraud they found ? Not some bullshit tweets or their website riddled with 'mistakes'. If they found real fraud, there should be indictments. There are 0 for now. 0.
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- _9za9 2y ago
  For now! 1 month in!

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aqueueaqueue 2y ago

That is true, the debt is rediculous. Doge approach to fix it by firing people without knowing what they do is just stupid. It creates more cost long term. To cut debt why not say... increase corporation tax. Fix healthcare so it isn't a rip off. Deconstruct the various complexes: military, prison etc. Stop giving money to Israel. Let illegal immigrants stay because they pay tax without getting social security. I don't think Trump and Elon are serious people.

dormento 2y ago
> I don't think Trump and Elon are serious people. I still can't get over the stupid name. "DOGE".
- sejje 2y ago
  Stupidest name, I truly hate it. Especially if we pronounce it "dough-ge" In conversation, I feel forced to use the entire (non-acronym) name.
sejje 2y ago
> Deconstruct the various complexes: military, prison etc This is more-or-less (part of?) what DOGE purports to do. Just not the "complexes" that you want.
- aqueueaqueue 2y ago
  The ones I want are a twofer: ethics and savings!
dworkr 2y ago
"illegal immigrants stay because they pay tax without getting social security." Why not just make it global? Shouldn't social security should be a human right. Also, why make laws around citizenship if you do not want them?
- aqueueaqueue 2y ago
  Because it is a complex world of contradictions.

lawn 2y ago

You know that what Doge is doing is a rounding error compared to the tax cuts the current administration is implementing? So the net result is a gigantic increase to the already ridiculous national debt.

aqueueaqueue 2y ago

And oh look https://www.americanprogress.org/article/congressional-republicans-budget-plans-would-force-americas-working-class-to-foot-the-bill-for-tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/congressional-repub... The old gut the company, get it more in debt and pay rich person a big dividend trick, but applied go the USA.

sejje 2y ago
Their article doesn't support their headline IMO

mattbrewsbytes 2y ago

The cost of employees in the Federal gov is less than 5% of the total Federal budget. There are already agencies with oversight of spending and Congress sets the budget usually in the fall timeframe but it varies per department/agency. Firing/laying off non-political appointee federal employees, aka civil service employees, will do nearly nothing to save money. The Federal government isn't a software company where one of the most expensive things is the cost of people. If the budget is about $6,000B per year, 5% of that is $300B and if the target is laying off 10%, you are talking $30B. It sounds like a lot of money to a person but that means your federal budget is now $5,970B. Basic budgeting concepts - if you wanted to save a lot of money you wouldn't be looking at something which only accounts for 5% of your budget. It would be like if your personal debt keeps increasing each year and you have a $800/mo car payment, $4000/mo mortgage, etc. and think eliminating 1 coffee run per week will save you.

_9za9 2y ago
Have you seen doge.gov? It is not just about firing the do-nothing remote federal workers.
- reaperducer 2y ago
  Have you seen doge.gov? It is not just about firing the do-nothing remote federal workers. Have you bothered to look up the actual hard statistics that show that federal workers work more and harder than those in private sector companies? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/21/are-federal-workers-lazy-lets-look-data/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/21/are-feder... Warning: You will have to exit your echo chamber.
  - _9za9 2y ago
    Tell me to exit my echo chamber as you post a liberal source for a liberal narrative, nice! Try finding factual statistics and report back, we will wait.
    - 2y ago

reaperducer 2y ago

Doge is doing what every other administration in history has failed to do. Here's a fun exercise: Go look up how much of that debt was incurred during the previous Trump administration. Go ahead and look. We'll wait.

_9za9 2y ago
We are in 2025 now. DEI has been born and died since the administration you refer to, let alone there was no DOGE at that time. Have another hot take?
- reaperducer 2y ago
  I'll take that as an admission that you didn't even bother to look.
- aqueueaqueue 2y ago
  So we can't look at the presidents track record because it's different this time TM

TheAlchemist 2y ago

Everybody agrees the deficit is too big. The problem people have with DOGE, is that it's in itself a fraud. Musk empire is based on government contracts and subsides. And somwehow, he's now deciding what's being cut. As for fraud that DOGE is uncovering, can you point to some real fraud they found ? Not some bullshit tweets or their website riddled with 'mistakes'. If they found real fraud, there should be indictments. There are 0 for now. 0.

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_9za9 2y ago
For now! 1 month in!