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> It feels a bit like every brand will end up with invasive tech, ads, and subscriptions. It's bad enough as it is, and consumers should try and fight against

by palata 2y ago

> It feels a bit like every brand will end up with invasive tech, ads, and subscriptions. It's bad enough as it is, and consumers should try and fight against that by not buying those cars. Especially now that we see that the CEO can turn fascist and feel entitled to do whatever he pleases with the data. How long before federal employees get fired because their Tesla showed that they arrived late to work? At the very least, don't buy Teslas. At this point that's probably one of the riskiest choices.

pavlov 2y ago
Americans liked to laugh at Europe's data regulations, but they sure are effective at preventing this specific problem of "CEO can turn fascist and feel entitled to do whatever he pleases with the data." Which surely has some connection to why Musk (like many other Silicon Valley billionaires) hates the EU so much.
- NetOpWibby 2y ago
  America adheres to the FAFO principle; fuck around and find out. Things tend to get demonstrably worse before it gets better. SIGH
  - chneu 2y ago
    You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; after they've tried everything else.
    - DFHippie 2y ago
      Given a long enough timeline you can count on anyone to do the right thing. It's the balance of right to wrong which is more interesting. By this measure I don't think Americans are particularly exceptional. Also, whether people choose to do the right thing is less interesting if they have no choice.
      - chneu 2y ago
        The quote means let americans fail because they'll get there eventually. After they've stubbornly tried everything else. American's believe we're exceptional and dont have to learn from others. We'll do it OUR WAY and it'll work. We'll force it if we have to. This isn't something most people are consciously aware of, but it's something you can notice if you start to look for.
- GJim 2y ago
  > Americans liked to laugh at Europe's data regulations They aren't laughing. On the contrary, the surveillance capitalists (many of which frequent this site) are vocal because they are spreading FUD. After all, sensible data protection laws affect their business models.
- palata 2y ago
  The thing I don't get is that the fascists running the state still have the support of the people. It's amazing to see a country that loves seeing themselves as "kings of democracy" so much, while at the same time proving over and over again that they don't really understand democracy.
DanielHB 2y ago
Remember when all we worried about was when government was tracking/spying on you? With illegal phone wiretaps and hidden microphones. Good times... Now we have to worry about the government AND the big tech companies AND their crazy CEOs as the lines get blurred between the three.
- b112 2y ago
  Unless someone is 60, you don't know a time when companies haven't been spying on you. People were worried about Google in the early 2000s, after they bought doubleclick. There's nothing new here, except a continuous walk along the same path. Data collection was a big trend of the 80s. Credit bureaus and points cards were the big start. If you go into a forum about cars, you can see people asking about 5 or 6 years ago, to turn off telemetry in their cars. They are mocked relentlessly. Then the insurance issue came to light, where car companies were caught selling data without consent. Suddenly, everyone cared. Point is, the average person hasn't the time, or the inclination to understand, or even care... until it hurts them. Of course, by the time the hurting happens, it's too late... So give them pennies (point cards) and they'll be happy to be tracked. From what I've noticed in my life, many people are incapable of being aware of dangers, without perspective. Thus, to survive mentally, they must dismiss dangers they cannot control. They deride concerns, to protect themselves menrally. I'd say at least 50% of the population is like this.

by palata 2y ago

pavlov 2y ago

Americans liked to laugh at Europe's data regulations, but they sure are effective at preventing this specific problem of "CEO can turn fascist and feel entitled to do whatever he pleases with the data." Which surely has some connection to why Musk (like many other Silicon Valley billionaires) hates the EU so much.

NetOpWibby 2y ago
America adheres to the FAFO principle; fuck around and find out. Things tend to get demonstrably worse before it gets better. SIGH
- chneu 2y ago
  You can always count on Americans to do the right thing; after they've tried everything else.
  - DFHippie 2y ago
    Given a long enough timeline you can count on anyone to do the right thing. It's the balance of right to wrong which is more interesting. By this measure I don't think Americans are particularly exceptional. Also, whether people choose to do the right thing is less interesting if they have no choice.
    - chneu 2y ago
      The quote means let americans fail because they'll get there eventually. After they've stubbornly tried everything else. American's believe we're exceptional and dont have to learn from others. We'll do it OUR WAY and it'll work. We'll force it if we have to. This isn't something most people are consciously aware of, but it's something you can notice if you start to look for.
GJim 2y ago
> Americans liked to laugh at Europe's data regulations They aren't laughing. On the contrary, the surveillance capitalists (many of which frequent this site) are vocal because they are spreading FUD. After all, sensible data protection laws affect their business models.
palata 2y ago
The thing I don't get is that the fascists running the state still have the support of the people. It's amazing to see a country that loves seeing themselves as "kings of democracy" so much, while at the same time proving over and over again that they don't really understand democracy.

DanielHB 2y ago

Remember when all we worried about was when government was tracking/spying on you? With illegal phone wiretaps and hidden microphones. Good times... Now we have to worry about the government AND the big tech companies AND their crazy CEOs as the lines get blurred between the three.

b112 2y ago
Unless someone is 60, you don't know a time when companies haven't been spying on you. People were worried about Google in the early 2000s, after they bought doubleclick. There's nothing new here, except a continuous walk along the same path. Data collection was a big trend of the 80s. Credit bureaus and points cards were the big start. If you go into a forum about cars, you can see people asking about 5 or 6 years ago, to turn off telemetry in their cars. They are mocked relentlessly. Then the insurance issue came to light, where car companies were caught selling data without consent. Suddenly, everyone cared. Point is, the average person hasn't the time, or the inclination to understand, or even care... until it hurts them. Of course, by the time the hurting happens, it's too late... So give them pennies (point cards) and they'll be happy to be tracked. From what I've noticed in my life, many people are incapable of being aware of dangers, without perspective. Thus, to survive mentally, they must dismiss dangers they cannot control. They deride concerns, to protect themselves menrally. I'd say at least 50% of the population is like this.