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> ordered breakfast: scrambled eggs back in the days when people ate eggs, and, more recently, banana and granola with skim milk. It's funny how much life cycl

• b800h 2y ago
  I was immediately struck by this remark too. Were eggs particularly unfashionable in the early 1990s in the USA? Apparently so.
  • morsch 2y ago
    Egg consumption was considered to lead to high cholesterol levels and thus linked to cardiovascular disease. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4632449/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4632449/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1999/09/21/return-of-the-good-egg/9c40bdfc-9072-49ee-b0e8-6239167623e8/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/19... https://australianfoodtimeline.com.au/egg-consumption/ https://australianfoodtimeline.com.au/egg-consumption/
    • ekianjo 2y ago
      The idea that granola would be healthier is rather strange
      • Cthulhu_ 2y ago
        One of the best examples of a food industry (grains) being able to influence eating habits to their benefit. Anyway, the phrase "healhty" in relation to food is a bit of a trigger phrase to me nowadays, healthy how? It's completely lacking in nuance. Apples are healthy, except when you eat 200 seeds at which point the cyanide gets to a lethal dose. Granola is healthy, unless you eat it three times a day and little else. You get the idea. The problem there is "x is healthy" makes people overconsume it and ignore anything that isn't marked "healthy". "healthy" eating takes work, study, and moderation.
        • mikepurvis 2y ago
          At the same time, there is also a faction that appears to argue against overly studying or obsessing about nutrition science, saying that if you really just prioritize variety, moderation, and made-at-home, then you're already 90% of the way there.
          • Reefersleep 2y ago
            I wonder what the value is of that advice, it's so incredibly vague. What's "varied"? What's "moderated"? Feels a bit like an excuse to stay ignorant.
            • mikepurvis 2y ago
              I mean, I'm obviously giving the one line summary that usually leads into a significantly more detailed treatise, eg: https://openbooks.library.unt.edu/nutritionforconsumers/chapter/chapter-2-nutrition-recommendations/ https://openbooks.library.unt.edu/nutritionforconsumers/chap... I think point is less to stay ignorant and more to focus on macro-level changes (water > soda/beer, vary your starches, get sugar from fruit, avoid "filling up" on purely protein) rather than obsessing over this or that micronutrient and trying to boil it all down into a perfect formulation that you consume in a sludgy pancake-batter-tasting "shake" twice a day.
            • Snoozus 2y ago
              In a situation where one does not know a lot it also mitigates the risk that the thing you ate a lot of turns out to be really unhealthy.
          • AndrewOMartin 2y ago
            Ben Goldacre used to have a regular column against misleading health fads, amongst other things, called Bad Science. He was a practicing GP and whenever asked to give some advice himself he said that people and lifestyles were too varied to give any advice more specific than "Eat mostly fresh fruit and vegetables, cut down on cigarettes and alcohol, and do some exercise".
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      • bmelton 2y ago
        People can be persuaded to silly things on silly logic. There was a time after prohibition when the prevailing theory was that vodka was healthier than whiskey because it was clear and whiskey wasn't. Our educational institutions marched an entire populace right into obesity because the government insisted the food pyramid was scientific, and not the result of lobbying. Honestly it's a bit wild to me that we ever think we know anything for certain.
        • ipaddr 2y ago
          Some people have less reaction to vodka because whiskey includes other compounds. But that says nothing of healthier just histamine levels. https://www.eds.clinic/articles/low-histamine-alcohol-histamine-intolerance-mcas https://www.eds.clinic/articles/low-histamine-alcohol-histam...
          • bmelton 2y ago
            Oh, sure. There are lots of things in lots of spirits. Sugars, distillation methods, heart-cut precision can all yield different effects from a spirit, but I can distill a bottle of vodka that's predominately methanols and acetaldehydes from the heads that are perfectly clear, and definitely not better for you than the same spirit from just five minutes later in the distillation.
      • buescher 2y ago
        Fiber. People used to go to the doctor a lot for digestive issues. "An apple a day" and all that.
    • mock-possum 2y ago
      My parents (in their 60s) still think this way - they mostly use that ‘egg substitute’ that comes in a carton (I think it’s some sort of processed egg white) as the bulk of their eggs, e.g. scrambled eggs using a 4:1 ratio of substitute to real eggs. They used to almost exclusively use margarine instead of butter too. I like eggs a lot better now that I’ve learned to make them myself.
      • suzzer99 2y ago
        > they mostly use that ‘egg substitute’ that comes in a carton I like to make a fried egg sandwich in the morning, and I can't get that stuff not to stick to the pan.
      • buescher 2y ago
        That stuff is pretty much just egg white and food coloring. Nowadays they sell undyed egg white in cartons alongside it because the trend has shifted to high protein diets.
  • vasco 2y ago
    The street wisdom was that eggs gave you high cholesterol due to the yolk having loads of cholesterol (which doesn't get absorbed, we need to produce our own cholesterol).
    • lazide 2y ago
      There were a bunch of studies saying high cholesterol was bad and would give you a heart attack. Then also ones saying low cholesterol would make you crazy [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4215473/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4215473/]. And also ones saying food high in cholesterol was bad. Then ones saying food high in ‘bad’ cholesterol were bad, and one’s high in ‘good’ cholesterol were good. Then eventually we figured out that dietary cholesterol has almost no impact on blood cholesterol levels except in a tiny portion of the population. Fun times eh?
  • mopenstein 2y ago
    Simpsons did it https://youtu.be/AHAFMFFQlkI https://youtu.be/AHAFMFFQlkI
  • buescher 2y ago
    It was about health. You know, trying not to grow old and get sick and eventually die. Between the seventies and about 15 years ago, educated people in the US, the sort of people who got their toehold in the middle class by doing what their betters told them to do, would look at you like you were deliberately trying to kill yourself if you had eggs and bacon and white bread toast with real butter on it for breakfast. It probably peaked around the turn of the century. The margarine section of the dairy case was bigger than the butter section. Imitation cheese slices were sold right alongside regular processed cheese - they're now completely dairy free and banished to the vegan food section. There's a famous scene in "Sleeper" (1973) by Woody Allen where the character wakes up in the future to find out that everything that was considered bad for you is considered good for you again. Woody Allen was born in 1935 so had been around long enough to know these things go in cycles.
  • xp84 2y ago
    I have a good memory of, in the 1990s, what must have been a rehab campaign from Big Egg, slogan: "The incredible, edible EGG!"
• vladms 2y ago
  I always find fun these "generalizations". Like: "Eggs are fine". If you are a 50kg person that eats 20 eggs for breakfast each day I doubt it would be fine. We would need something like LD50, or even better a range over a period (eggs are mostly fine if you eat between 2 and 5 per week)
  • osrec 2y ago
    I heard 2 per day, especially if on a meat free diet.
  • xandrius 2y ago
    What's interesting some of the reasons why 20 eggs are too much for someone weighing 50kg: - Too much Vitamin A - Too much protein (yes, there is such a thing) - 1450kcal from eggs alone (might be ok but other nutrients are needed) Even before touching the fats.
    • tmerc 2y ago
      Assuming female, 5'5", age 35, somewhat active because it's more conservative; daily caloric intake is like 1700. Your egg macros are about 5.5g of protein and fat per egg for about 72 calories per egg. A large egg is 7g protein, 7 fat. 91 calories. My math is based on large eggs, 9 cal/g fat, 4cal/g carbs and protein. To get all of of their caloric intake from eggs would be around 18 eggs. Vitamin A in eggs is 75iu, 23ug RAE. RDA is 700ug for this person. 30 eggs. The tolerable upper limit is 3000ug. 130 eggs. Macros: 126g of both fat and protein. Carbs in eggs are negligible at maybe .5g each, totaling 9g or 36 cal. Harvard recommends .36g/lb for protein, which is about 40g. They also set the theoretical upper limit at 2g/kg ; .91g/lb, which is 102g. So this is 24g excessive (3.4 eggs). The quantity of too much protein is debatable, though in the absence of heavy weight lifting, this is at least excessive for most people. Harmful depends on context. 126g of fat is 1134cal. This is below what they need to maintain weight (calorie deficit) and the biggest problem with this diet so far. If this person are more than 150g of carbs per day, I would be concerned because with circulating glucose, body fat is not used readily to supply caloric need. The body may want to use protein as a calorie source, which is where the danger of eating too much protein comes from. After being on this diet for several weeks, they will be in ketosis, which will actually make it much safer. Body fat is used more readily in ketosis to fill energy needs and could make up the 600 calorie per day deficit, totaling to a little over the safe 1lb per week recommendation for weight loss. I would advise adding more fat and reducing protein a bit (80g should be plenty though potentially excessive still), not because this is dangerous but because it is excessive and the body will need to remove the excess protein as waste. This isn't really harmful in smaller quantities but does put more strain on the kidneys. Maybe 12 eggs a day and another 50 of mostly fat to get 500 calories, 500 deficit. If trying to maintain weight, increase fat by another 50g. Mix carbs if you want under 300 calories (75g) with that amount removed from fat intake and preferably in one meal with protein. Doesn't consider vitamins other than A.
• EfficientDude 2y ago
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