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> Initially I thought to use , for float but ended use using . for floats. Better - check the computer's region setting and use the local language convention,

> Initially I thought to use , for float but ended use using . for floats. Better - check the computer's region setting and use the local language convention, so decimal point is "." is English speaking regions, and "," is Euro regions, and who knows what else in other regions. That way code might work in one location but fail in another ;)

seafoamteal 2y ago
Good idea, but I suggest swapping . and , regions keeping with the spirit of the language.
SirusCodes 2y ago
Is that true? I thought for all languages only "." is defacto decimal point in all languages. Never knew it changes with locale.
- plopilop 2y ago
  The hegemony of software only accepting . has de facto pushed the standard everywhere for computers, but here in France I still write with a comma, but type with a dot. A few years ago Excel and some other softwares started to be locale dependent and I never wanted to burn my computer this much
  - johncoltrane 2y ago
    French dev currently working for a French but global client, here. The UI of the timesheet app is in English but the fields only accept `,` as decimal point. It's so needlessly confusing.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      That's one of the great boons of localization. The webapp knows you're in France, so it tries to do the right thing, while giving you a US English UI. I experience the same thing, but got used to it somehow. Another good example is how "İ" is popping up everywhere, even in English, because of misconfigured locale settings and how changing case is affected by it. We (Turks) are responsible for that, sorry (We have ı,i,I,İ =D ).
- yxhuvud 2y ago
  No. Some languages use . for thousand (or even hundred) separators.
- jiehong 2y ago
  Very much so. Dot is often used as thousands separator too. I remember the first time I saw 10,000 as a price and thought: 10 bucks? So cheap. But also: who needs 3 decimal points for a price? Looks like its more or less 50% of the world [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Conventions_worldwide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Conventions_...
  - koliber 2y ago
    To add to the complexity of the whole situation, some countries don't separate by thousands (every three zeroes). India uses a 2,2,3 system (crore, lakh, thousand). 10 million = 1,00,00,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh
  - rob74 2y ago
    > who needs 3 decimal points for a price? Petrol stations... I have no idea how widespread this practice is, but at least in Germany fuel prices have 3 decimal points to better confuse motorists. The third number is usually displayed smaller and is of course always a nine. So, if you see the price for a litre of diesel at e.g. 1.62⁹ €, you might forget to round it up mentally.
- spacechild1 2y ago
  For example, German speaking countries use a comma instead of a decimal point, whereas the latter is used as a group separator. The German word for decimal place is "Kommastelle" (= "comma place").
- kolinko 2y ago
  It’s “,” in Poland, and a dot(or apostrophe) as thousands separator. That’s why in region settings on your computer you will find not only date/tome formatting, but also the number format.
- smatija 2y ago
  Cyprus and Peru use , for decimal point for non-currency amounts and . for decimal point with currency amount. So it's not even consisent inside some languages. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Hindu%E2%80%93Arabic_numerals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Hindu%E2%80%...
  - SirusCodes 2y ago
    That's painful to think about
- ninalanyon 2y ago
  International standards say that either dot or comma is acceptable as decimal separator and thousand separators are optional spaces, typically a half space when properly typeset. ISO 31-0 (after Amendment 2) specifies that "the decimal sign is either the comma on the line or the point on the line". This follows resolution 10[1] of the 22nd CGPM, 2003.[2] For example, one divided by two (one half) may be written as 0.5 or 0,5.
SirusCodes 2y ago
This is pure evil idea :) I will implement this thing.
- SirusCodes 2y ago
  Raised issue - https://github.com/SirusCodes/AntiLang/issues/6 https://github.com/SirusCodes/AntiLang/issues/6
andrelaszlo 2y ago
This is so evil it has already been implemented by Microsoft (Excel sheets...)
- Jotalea 2y ago
  No surprise to see that coming from microsoft.
- gryn 2y ago
  yeah, to keep it in spirit also add localization of function/operator names and make sure only the locale version works not all at the same time.
bayindirh 2y ago
This is on par with how Java WebStart locale reporting works between Windows and Linux. AFAIR, Windows always reports US_EN for the locale, so you can write locale unaware code everywhere, but when running on Linux, you get the correct locale of the system (of course), and things break spectacularly. I remember debugging an integer overflow, and I literally facepalmed following a "you didn't do THAT, did you!?". The thing they did was parsing the date from the date string (formatted for system locale, without giving a specific locale) Java returned to them instead of fixing the locale and getting the date or getting the parts with relevant functions. I have a relatively short fuse for people who doesn't read (or at least skim) the manual of the library they're using.

seafoamteal 2y ago

Good idea, but I suggest swapping . and , regions keeping with the spirit of the language.

SirusCodes 2y ago

Is that true? I thought for all languages only "." is defacto decimal point in all languages. Never knew it changes with locale.

plopilop 2y ago
The hegemony of software only accepting . has de facto pushed the standard everywhere for computers, but here in France I still write with a comma, but type with a dot. A few years ago Excel and some other softwares started to be locale dependent and I never wanted to burn my computer this much
- johncoltrane 2y ago
  French dev currently working for a French but global client, here. The UI of the timesheet app is in English but the fields only accept `,` as decimal point. It's so needlessly confusing.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    That's one of the great boons of localization. The webapp knows you're in France, so it tries to do the right thing, while giving you a US English UI. I experience the same thing, but got used to it somehow. Another good example is how "İ" is popping up everywhere, even in English, because of misconfigured locale settings and how changing case is affected by it. We (Turks) are responsible for that, sorry (We have ı,i,I,İ =D ).
yxhuvud 2y ago
No. Some languages use . for thousand (or even hundred) separators.
jiehong 2y ago
Very much so. Dot is often used as thousands separator too. I remember the first time I saw 10,000 as a price and thought: 10 bucks? So cheap. But also: who needs 3 decimal points for a price? Looks like its more or less 50% of the world [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Conventions_worldwide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Conventions_...
- koliber 2y ago
  To add to the complexity of the whole situation, some countries don't separate by thousands (every three zeroes). India uses a 2,2,3 system (crore, lakh, thousand). 10 million = 1,00,00,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh
- rob74 2y ago
  > who needs 3 decimal points for a price? Petrol stations... I have no idea how widespread this practice is, but at least in Germany fuel prices have 3 decimal points to better confuse motorists. The third number is usually displayed smaller and is of course always a nine. So, if you see the price for a litre of diesel at e.g. 1.62⁹ €, you might forget to round it up mentally.
spacechild1 2y ago
For example, German speaking countries use a comma instead of a decimal point, whereas the latter is used as a group separator. The German word for decimal place is "Kommastelle" (= "comma place").
kolinko 2y ago
It’s “,” in Poland, and a dot(or apostrophe) as thousands separator. That’s why in region settings on your computer you will find not only date/tome formatting, but also the number format.
smatija 2y ago
Cyprus and Peru use , for decimal point for non-currency amounts and . for decimal point with currency amount. So it's not even consisent inside some languages. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Hindu%E2%80%93Arabic_numerals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Hindu%E2%80%...
- SirusCodes 2y ago
  That's painful to think about
ninalanyon 2y ago
International standards say that either dot or comma is acceptable as decimal separator and thousand separators are optional spaces, typically a half space when properly typeset. ISO 31-0 (after Amendment 2) specifies that "the decimal sign is either the comma on the line or the point on the line". This follows resolution 10[1] of the 22nd CGPM, 2003.[2] For example, one divided by two (one half) may be written as 0.5 or 0,5.

SirusCodes 2y ago

This is pure evil idea :) I will implement this thing.

SirusCodes 2y ago
Raised issue - https://github.com/SirusCodes/AntiLang/issues/6 https://github.com/SirusCodes/AntiLang/issues/6

andrelaszlo 2y ago

This is so evil it has already been implemented by Microsoft (Excel sheets...)

Jotalea 2y ago
No surprise to see that coming from microsoft.
gryn 2y ago
yeah, to keep it in spirit also add localization of function/operator names and make sure only the locale version works not all at the same time.

bayindirh 2y ago

This is on par with how Java WebStart locale reporting works between Windows and Linux. AFAIR, Windows always reports US_EN for the locale, so you can write locale unaware code everywhere, but when running on Linux, you get the correct locale of the system (of course), and things break spectacularly. I remember debugging an integer overflow, and I literally facepalmed following a "you didn't do THAT, did you!?". The thing they did was parsing the date from the date string (formatted for system locale, without giving a specific locale) Java returned to them instead of fixing the locale and getting the date or getting the parts with relevant functions. I have a relatively short fuse for people who doesn't read (or at least skim) the manual of the library they're using.