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"Making or selling a signal jammer could lead to up to five years in prison or an unlimited fine." I can understand you like to make some devices illegal. But
by _trampeltier 2y ago
"Making or selling a signal jammer could lead to up to five years in prison or an unlimited fine."
I can understand you like to make some devices illegal. But really, five years prison, unlimited fine. Is everybody insane now.
- boredatoms 2y agoYou get less for 34 felonies
- MrBuddyCasino 2y agoWe‘re talking about the UK here. They’ve jumped the shark long ago and are now at the „legislate blunted butter knives“ stage.
- r0ckarong 2y agoYou're talking about the UK here, have been insane for centuries. And then George Orwell wrote a manual.
- throw9494949 2y agoIn UK it is a crime to silently pray at your own home. It is a different culture, court decides who is a criminal. There are no civil liberties or constitution like in US!
- rich_sasha 2y agoThis is ridiculously untrue. Please do not spread Musk disinformation. First statue of Liberty, Magna Carta, predates the US itself by more than half a millennium.
- creativenolo 2y agoI know. Also, twisted in this comment I think. The Musk headline was loosely tidied to someone arrested (whilst) praying *outside* and ignores the context of what was happening at the time, and for the many hours before the arrest. Minor details like that. Happy to live in a legal systems where these devices are banned, and we can cross the road freely.
- optimalplusone 2y agoStandard UK culture. You can be arrested for social media posts.
- mathw 2y agoWell of course you can. We have freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences.
- creativenolo 2y agoWow the other comments on this thread are all ironic, exaggerated, and misleading. A little context is necessary. “Up to” is worth emphasis. Even if in an extreme scenario a 5 year sentence was disbursed only up to 2.5 years would be in prison (and likely far less), automatic release at 2 thirds in the worst case.
- superkuh 2y agoWhen you are being attacked by a government prosecutor these "up to"s matter very, very much. It allows them to force the acceptance of inappropriate settlements by waving the (very real) possibility of these "up to"s in your face if you try to actually have your case heard in a court.
- creativenolo 2y agoFrom your language, it’s clear you’re not talking from the perspective of the UK’s different legal systems. They may matter like you say in other systems, but they are not the same in all systems.
- superkuh 2y agoTrue. But in this case many UK localities are adopting these legal practices. It's new, but rising. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oct/06/rise-of-plea-bargaining-coerces-young-defendants-into-guilty-pleas-says-report https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oct/06/rise-of-plea-bar... "Rise of plea-bargaining coerces young defendants into guilty pleas, says report. US-style negotiations for reduced sentences in England and Wales raises fears of false confessions and lack of informed consent"
- rich_sasha 2y ago"Up to". I guess maybe appropriate for a car theft kingpin selling these by the thousand? How does it compare with the sentence for actual car theft?
- TheChaplain 2y agoCar theft is not only a unnecessary cost for the victim, but the whole process it starts demands a significant amount of tax payer money.
- _trampeltier 2y agoCar keys are so crap and easy to copy, that's the real crime.