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CNN definitely isn't left leaning. Debatably even MSNBC is largely more liberal than left leaning. As I see it we have one major right wing news network in Ame

CNN definitely isn't left leaning. Debatably even MSNBC is largely more liberal than left leaning. As I see it we have one major right wing news network in America in the form of Fox; along with some smaller ones like One News Network and talk radio. We have several centrist news networks like CNN and ABC. We have several neo-liberal news sources like the New York Times. However, we have no truly left wing mainstream news and only one major network (MSNBC) that is marginally left wing. So it seems to me that America's media is biased towards the right whether you are counting number of outlets or number of viewers.

wkat4242 2y ago
And American left is pretty right by European standards. The democrats as a whole would definitely fall under the right camp here. Mostly the neoliberal one. Someone like Bernie Sanders would be central-left here. But he's pretty much an exception in America.
- Jensson 2y ago
  > Someone like Bernie Sanders would be central-left here. But he's pretty much an exception in America. No he wouldn't, have you seen his policies? He is more left wing than even Scandinavian countries, he wants the Employee funds that Sweden tried in the 80s and never went back to because it was too extreme left for them.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Employee ownership isn't that weird though? Most top execs get paid mostly in shares and options. Employees often have this option too. In a socialist view there would be no stock market at all. The Scandinavian countries aren't very left wing. They're just very rich so they have lots of money for welfare programs. But they're pretty anti immigrant. I would consider Spain more left wing.
- spacebanana7 2y ago
  That was true 15 years ago - especially with Merkel/Obama/Cameron - but a lot has changed since then. The European right and American right essentially speak from the same ideology. As the Republicans have moved away from free markets, free trade and immigration. Trump, Farage, Weidel and Le Pen could all work happily in coalition together. The European left has become so fractured that it's hard to make clear comparisons. Which German political party would Bernie Sanders want to join of SPD, Greens, or Die Linke? In the UK would he work with the SNP, Labour or Corbyn?
  - nkassis 2y ago
    Would you consider Germany's CDU/CSU to be close to the republicans in the US? I pegged them more as being Democrat's equivalents. Macron is also more of a US democrat then a republican. Is an odd fit I would have him with Labour. In canada he would lead the NDP.
    - spacebanana7 2y ago
      That’s tricky- I’d say the modern CSU/CDU & Macron are closer in social policy to the Democrats but economically closer to the Republicans. Looking at the CDU’s manifesto I think it’s overall more palatable to the Republicans. As the Democrats would likely never support corporate tax cuts or cannabis restrictions. https://www.cdu.de/app/uploads/2025/01/wahlprogramm-cdu-csu-kurzfassung-englisch.pdf https://www.cdu.de/app/uploads/2025/01/wahlprogramm-cdu-csu-...

wkat4242 2y ago

And American left is pretty right by European standards. The democrats as a whole would definitely fall under the right camp here. Mostly the neoliberal one. Someone like Bernie Sanders would be central-left here. But he's pretty much an exception in America.

Jensson 2y ago
> Someone like Bernie Sanders would be central-left here. But he's pretty much an exception in America. No he wouldn't, have you seen his policies? He is more left wing than even Scandinavian countries, he wants the Employee funds that Sweden tried in the 80s and never went back to because it was too extreme left for them.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Employee ownership isn't that weird though? Most top execs get paid mostly in shares and options. Employees often have this option too. In a socialist view there would be no stock market at all. The Scandinavian countries aren't very left wing. They're just very rich so they have lots of money for welfare programs. But they're pretty anti immigrant. I would consider Spain more left wing.
spacebanana7 2y ago
That was true 15 years ago - especially with Merkel/Obama/Cameron - but a lot has changed since then. The European right and American right essentially speak from the same ideology. As the Republicans have moved away from free markets, free trade and immigration. Trump, Farage, Weidel and Le Pen could all work happily in coalition together. The European left has become so fractured that it's hard to make clear comparisons. Which German political party would Bernie Sanders want to join of SPD, Greens, or Die Linke? In the UK would he work with the SNP, Labour or Corbyn?
- nkassis 2y ago
  Would you consider Germany's CDU/CSU to be close to the republicans in the US? I pegged them more as being Democrat's equivalents. Macron is also more of a US democrat then a republican. Is an odd fit I would have him with Labour. In canada he would lead the NDP.
  - spacebanana7 2y ago
    That’s tricky- I’d say the modern CSU/CDU & Macron are closer in social policy to the Democrats but economically closer to the Republicans. Looking at the CDU’s manifesto I think it’s overall more palatable to the Republicans. As the Democrats would likely never support corporate tax cuts or cannabis restrictions. https://www.cdu.de/app/uploads/2025/01/wahlprogramm-cdu-csu-kurzfassung-englisch.pdf https://www.cdu.de/app/uploads/2025/01/wahlprogramm-cdu-csu-...