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> a population left to fight an outbreak through natural immunity will be stronger in the end. Most people get the flu multiple times during their lives alread

> a population left to fight an outbreak through natural immunity will be stronger in the end. Most people get the flu multiple times during their lives already. When is this natural immunity supposed to kick in and stop the elderly and infirm from dying from it? Hell, why didn't this natural immunity protect the hundreds of millions of people who died prior to the introduction of vaccines from reoccurring outbreaks over the millennia? Never mind those who suffered lifetime disabilities from deafness to warped limbs.

_heimdall 2y ago
The flu isn't a stable thing though, there are multiple strains of what we call "the flu" and its constantly adapting/mutating. Previous infection is no guarantee of protection, just like previous vaccination us no guarantee. > When is this natural immunity supposed to kick in and stop the elderly and infirm from dying from it? That's a whole different ball game. You're talking about immunocompromised individuals, their immune system isn't well prepared to respond to natural infection PR vaccination. Vaccines can still help, though they're usually less effective and more likely to cause symptoms similar to the original disease you're vaccinating against. A vaccine isn't a magic bullet for preventing death. Vaccines still depend on the immune system doing its job effectively.
_heimdall 2y ago
> Measles mortality fell markedly (>90%) from the 19th century to mid-20th century prior to introduction of measles vaccine or the widespread use of antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections [1][2] This story is similar for most infections we now vaccinate for, death rates were dropping dramatically years before vaccines were introduced. [1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/agespecific-measles-mortality-during-the-late-19thearly-20th-centuries/F4D013C76395921C5338067A0BD0278C https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-inf... [2] https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?title=Measles+mortality+in+the+United+States+1971%E2%80%931975&author=Engelhardt+S&publication+year=1980&journal=American+Journal+of+Public+Health&volume=70&pages=1166-1169 https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?title=Measles+mort...

_heimdall 2y ago

The flu isn't a stable thing though, there are multiple strains of what we call "the flu" and its constantly adapting/mutating. Previous infection is no guarantee of protection, just like previous vaccination us no guarantee. > When is this natural immunity supposed to kick in and stop the elderly and infirm from dying from it? That's a whole different ball game. You're talking about immunocompromised individuals, their immune system isn't well prepared to respond to natural infection PR vaccination. Vaccines can still help, though they're usually less effective and more likely to cause symptoms similar to the original disease you're vaccinating against. A vaccine isn't a magic bullet for preventing death. Vaccines still depend on the immune system doing its job effectively.

_heimdall 2y ago

> Measles mortality fell markedly (>90%) from the 19th century to mid-20th century prior to introduction of measles vaccine or the widespread use of antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections [1][2] This story is similar for most infections we now vaccinate for, death rates were dropping dramatically years before vaccines were introduced. [1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/agespecific-measles-mortality-during-the-late-19thearly-20th-centuries/F4D013C76395921C5338067A0BD0278C https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-inf... [2] https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?title=Measles+mortality+in+the+United+States+1971%E2%80%931975&author=Engelhardt+S&publication+year=1980&journal=American+Journal+of+Public+Health&volume=70&pages=1166-1169 https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?title=Measles+mort...