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> This didn't start in 2022, believe it or not. It’s remarkable that instead of curiosity about your argument or the past history of Russia and Ukraine and NAT
by blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
> This didn't start in 2022, believe it or not.
It’s remarkable that instead of curiosity about your argument or the past history of Russia and Ukraine and NATO,
the responses you’re getting immediately jump to “Putin koolaid”. It’s not surprising given that almost no one in America has even basic knowledge on this issue, like being aware of the 2014 coup.
But also if you go against HN political orthodoxy, prepare for downvotes. Unfortunately it doesn’t matter if you’re correct or spend the time to write out a really thoughtful comment. The downvotes and low value responses will still come. It’s probably not the right platform for debate outside its Overton window.
- mopsi 2y agoThe "2014 coup" excuse has been so thoroughly debunked that anyone who mentions it at this point is either completely out of touch or just malicious.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoSaying something is debunked in this way isn’t a debunking. It’s just an attempt at minimizing.
- mopsi 2y agoBut it is debunked: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42986476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42986476
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoNothing you posted debunks it. You are acknowledging that the duly elected leader was removed from his position without following the constitutional process. The rest is just noise, including that unanimous vote - yea of course people are going to vote that way when there are violent armed insurrectionists around.
- drawkward 2y agoSo you are saying that a unanimous vote is more likely a coup than a reaction to the horror of the president ordering an attack on innocent protesters? An attack that killed some hundred people, in fact. I guess you could call that a "coup." I guess I could argue that war is peace, too. Both could be called propaganda.
- mopsi 2y agoNo, there was nothing unconstitutional about the process. The Ukrainian parliament correctly followed the procedure for holding snap elections. Snap elections might be a novel idea for Americans who are used to presidents always serving the full term, but they are fairly common in rest of the world. Germany held snap elections just last Sunday, after the government lost its majority in parliament.
- kelnos 2y agoThat's only if you believe it was a "coup". Which it wasn't.
- drawkward 2y agoWe are aware that some people call it a coup, and we point out their factual errors, which are many.