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A few smashed windows is not a riot, nor nationwide riots, nor requiring doing what Cotton advocated. Popularity is certainly not at all a reason to suppress li

by mmooss 2y ago

A few smashed windows is not a riot, nor nationwide riots, nor requiring doing what Cotton advocated. Popularity is certainly not at all a reason to suppress liberty. I witnessed some of the 'riots'; what I saw was perfectly safe except for a very small physical area - maybe spots of, very approximately, 50 sq ft - and even there you were probably safe. There was no danger to the public, some danger to some windows. I've seen worse in team victory celebrations. I saw much worse at the Capitol, where they were beating people and some died.

whatwhaaaaat 2y ago
Can you really make these claims when streamers for months were showing people looting? What about chop? What about that federal courthouse in Portland? My city had 100s of stores ransacked with groups of cars with 100s of people all working together. Say what you want about opportunists - riots happened.
- mmooss 2y ago
  > chop ? > federal courthouse in Portland What about it? Did it burn down? How many were injured? > streamers for months were showing people looting It's interesting that people criticize the professional news media, then believe whatever they see on social media. > riots happened I expect some did, depending on the definition of riot, but that's not 'nationwide rioting' and a call to use the military to suppress the great majority of peaceful protests.
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  - rayiner 2y ago
    There was rioting in many major cities and it was absolutely appropriate to call in the national guard to put a stop to it. My family didn’t leave Bangladesh to put up with third-world behavior like that.
    - mmooss 2y ago
      Protest isn't third-world behavior, and part of being in the US is not restricting other people's liberties - regardless of your personal preferences and outrage. If they are harming others or causing significant material damage, that's another story, but even that is a matter of degree (especially the latter).
rayiner 2y ago
Destruction to the built environment is an offense against society. 25 people were killed in the riots and there was $2 billion in property damage. My neighborhood in Baltimore never recovered after the Freddie Gray riots. Our fro-yo place had the windows smashed in and closed. The coffee shop on my wife’s office block never reopened. The harm to the public lasts long after the rioting is over. You didn’t see worse at the capitol, because that was a riot at a government building and private sector people were not at risk.
- mmooss 2y ago
  > Destruction to the built environment is an offense against society. If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society? Obviously not. > 25 people were killed in the riots and there was $2 billion in property damage. In the entire country? And is there a source for it? Sorry about your fro-yo and coffee. The places I know have long forgotten the 'riots'. > private sector people were not at risk. People died. Does it not matter because they worked for the government? How about the democracy and government of people in the private sector? I think boiling it down to property is much too convenient.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    > If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society? If you do it on purpose, yes. > Sorry about your fro-yo and coffee. The places I know have long forgotten the 'riots'. There’s tons of evidence that riots lead to long term depopulation of the neighborhoods where they happened. > Does it not matter because they worked for the government? Yes. This is America, not Europe: https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/tree-liberty-quotation/ https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jeffers...
    - mmooss 2y ago
      > > If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society? > If you do it on purpose, yes. Well I guess "an offense against society" is undefined, but that is an extreme reaction. There are matters of degree in everything, and those degrees are everything. The state prosecutes lots of crimes, from shoplifting to mass murder - to call them all "an offense against society" becomes meaningless. > > Does it not matter because they worked for the government? > Yes. Killing people doesn't matter if those people work for the government. Wow.

by mmooss 2y ago

whatwhaaaaat 2y ago

Can you really make these claims when streamers for months were showing people looting? What about chop? What about that federal courthouse in Portland? My city had 100s of stores ransacked with groups of cars with 100s of people all working together. Say what you want about opportunists - riots happened.

mmooss 2y ago
> chop ? > federal courthouse in Portland What about it? Did it burn down? How many were injured? > streamers for months were showing people looting It's interesting that people criticize the professional news media, then believe whatever they see on social media. > riots happened I expect some did, depending on the definition of riot, but that's not 'nationwide rioting' and a call to use the military to suppress the great majority of peaceful protests.
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- rayiner 2y ago
  There was rioting in many major cities and it was absolutely appropriate to call in the national guard to put a stop to it. My family didn’t leave Bangladesh to put up with third-world behavior like that.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    Protest isn't third-world behavior, and part of being in the US is not restricting other people's liberties - regardless of your personal preferences and outrage. If they are harming others or causing significant material damage, that's another story, but even that is a matter of degree (especially the latter).

rayiner 2y ago

Destruction to the built environment is an offense against society. 25 people were killed in the riots and there was $2 billion in property damage. My neighborhood in Baltimore never recovered after the Freddie Gray riots. Our fro-yo place had the windows smashed in and closed. The coffee shop on my wife’s office block never reopened. The harm to the public lasts long after the rioting is over. You didn’t see worse at the capitol, because that was a riot at a government building and private sector people were not at risk.

mmooss 2y ago
> Destruction to the built environment is an offense against society. If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society? Obviously not. > 25 people were killed in the riots and there was $2 billion in property damage. In the entire country? And is there a source for it? Sorry about your fro-yo and coffee. The places I know have long forgotten the 'riots'. > private sector people were not at risk. People died. Does it not matter because they worked for the government? How about the democracy and government of people in the private sector? I think boiling it down to property is much too convenient.
- rayiner 2y ago
  > If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society? If you do it on purpose, yes. > Sorry about your fro-yo and coffee. The places I know have long forgotten the 'riots'. There’s tons of evidence that riots lead to long term depopulation of the neighborhoods where they happened. > Does it not matter because they worked for the government? Yes. This is America, not Europe: https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/tree-liberty-quotation/ https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jeffers...
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > > If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society? > If you do it on purpose, yes. Well I guess "an offense against society" is undefined, but that is an extreme reaction. There are matters of degree in everything, and those degrees are everything. The state prosecutes lots of crimes, from shoplifting to mass murder - to call them all "an offense against society" becomes meaningless. > > Does it not matter because they worked for the government? > Yes. Killing people doesn't matter if those people work for the government. Wow.