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All those other companies are just as amoral or problematic as Tesla and any Chinese manufacturer (and by extension their respective governments). The only thi

All those other companies are just as amoral or problematic as Tesla and any Chinese manufacturer (and by extension their respective governments). The only thing that differentiates them in my eyes is price relative to performance, and I buy accordingly.

handoflixue 2y ago
> All those other companies are just as amoral or problematic Doesn't it seem weird and suspicious to you that every company is EXACTLY the same level of immoral? I suppose it could happen, but most industries I've studied have a pretty broad variation. I can't speak for the EV market, but there's plenty of companies in other markets that care about doing the right thing and try to avoid these sorts of problems.
rurp 2y ago
Really? When did the CEO of Honda or Toyota spend immense amounts of wealth and influence to promote fascism and cripple America's strength in a multitude of ways? I suspect they haven't and you're exaggerating to make this an all sides thing to try to excuse Elon's behavior. Scale matters. A CEO being sleazy to a supplier or a some employees, or whatever it is you have in mind, isn't nearly as harmful as everything Musk is doing.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
I'm so tired of lazy "both sides" dismissals. It's a boring position to take at this point and only reflects lack of care to research, empathize, and dig into society. Just admit your apathy and say You don't care about society. Don't assume everyone subscribes to your world view.
- InvertedRhodium 2y ago
  I am apathetic and don't care about society beyond my own timeline. The only difference between you and me is that I'm honest about it - actions speak louder than words and I'm not seeing much action on that front. Why would I waste my limited time on this earth struggling against something that everyone seems so apathetic about?

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All those other companies are just as amoral or problematic as Tesla and any Chinese manufacturer (and by extension their respective governments). The only thi

by InvertedRhodium 2y ago

handoflixue 2y ago
> All those other companies are just as amoral or problematic Doesn't it seem weird and suspicious to you that every company is EXACTLY the same level of immoral? I suppose it could happen, but most industries I've studied have a pretty broad variation. I can't speak for the EV market, but there's plenty of companies in other markets that care about doing the right thing and try to avoid these sorts of problems.
rurp 2y ago
Really? When did the CEO of Honda or Toyota spend immense amounts of wealth and influence to promote fascism and cripple America's strength in a multitude of ways? I suspect they haven't and you're exaggerating to make this an all sides thing to try to excuse Elon's behavior. Scale matters. A CEO being sleazy to a supplier or a some employees, or whatever it is you have in mind, isn't nearly as harmful as everything Musk is doing.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
I'm so tired of lazy "both sides" dismissals. It's a boring position to take at this point and only reflects lack of care to research, empathize, and dig into society. Just admit your apathy and say You don't care about society. Don't assume everyone subscribes to your world view.
- InvertedRhodium 2y ago
  I am apathetic and don't care about society beyond my own timeline. The only difference between you and me is that I'm honest about it - actions speak louder than words and I'm not seeing much action on that front. Why would I waste my limited time on this earth struggling against something that everyone seems so apathetic about?