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If too many people comment on this, it will get removed from the front page again. I realize this is a bit hypocritical by commenting this.

Mistletoe 2y ago
Going to favorite it just so I can find it before it gets flagged. We have to redo the flagging system for HN, it's a complete joke. Why do they persist in the idea that it is better than simple upvotes and downvotes?
- itishappy 2y ago
  None have been flagged. As I understand, if there's more comments than upvotes in a short period, it's automatically considered engagement bait and deranked. Edit: Per Dang, they have been flagged, but HN has opted to turn off flagging for YC companies. > It set off the flamewar detector. Moderators haven't touched it, except that we turned off the user flags on the story. Otherwise it would be displaying [flagged] at the top. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43170850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43170850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43175023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43175023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43180133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43180133
- scarab92 2y ago
  I flagged because I can’t stand this overly moralising cancel culture attitude. This exact tech is already commonplace in industry, but no one is trying to find an industry wide solution, just taking cheap pot shots that the nth startup doing the same thing. If you don’t like what this startup is doing, build something better instead of virtue signalling here.
  - nurettin 2y ago
    That statement makes no sense. Flagging is cancelling. You are what you can't stand.
    - b112 2y ago
      Bob is repeatedly punching Jon in the head, for invalid reasons. Pete, seeing this, runs up and belts Bob to protect Jon. Are these acts the same?
      - nurettin 2y ago
        Pretty much, yes. I'm surprised you don't spot belting to be an equally violent action.
        b112 2y ago
        It is violent, but intent is everything. Blowing up a building because you're a mobster, and you're "sending a message", is different from a demolition crew doing the same to make way for a new building. You should really rethink what you're saying. An act is a wholesome, contextualize thing. It does not live in a vacuum. By your measure, a sexual predator grabbing a woman's vagina and a doctor examing a female patient are identical. This is a broken mental map of the world.
        nurettin 2y ago
        [flagged]
        dredmorbius 2y ago
        A surgeon and an assassin both wield a blade, and both occasionally kill. Their intent and motives differ strongly. Mens rea exists because reasons. (This is also why surgeons generally request a statement of consent to medical procedures from the patient, where that's tractable, or by a representative --- parent, guardian, someone granted power of attorney, etc --- where the patient themselves is incapable of consent. There are still some loose edges, but this itself is a significant though not sole distinction between the two roles noted.)
    - dang 2y ago
      > You are what you can't stand. Wow - did you come up with that or is it a quote? That's a great line. (this is apropos of nothing related to the current story - it just strikes my interests)
  - santoshalper 2y ago
    If you don't like evil, you should do something not evil. But also, you shouldn't tell evil people that you don't like what they're doing, because that might hurt their feelings.
  - tavavex 2y ago
    The "overly moralising cancel culture" statement doesn't really prove anything here. "overly moralising" just says that you seem to disagree with all arguments based on 'too much morals', with no justification of why those arguments are bad or why using 'morals' is misguided. "cancel culture" means that you disagree with people trying to get things shut down, again, with no justification. This is just the culture war word salad of the decade, because there's no underlying point - just an attempt to wrap all the things people disagree with into one easy-to-dismiss package. And no, this issue isn't something you can out-compete. Authority figures notably love surveillance - no matter if it's your government, a tech megacorp or a manager at a factory. There's no alternative solution that provides the same hit of power and control like surveillance. Social pushback is the only remaining way.
- jrs235 2y ago
  Use hckrnews.com to find top stories that get flagged out removed.
  - abnercoimbre 2y ago
    This is my go-to alternative to read HN. The half-life for front page entries is also longer, which lets you catch up with more ease.
    - jrs235 2y ago
      I select 'All' so you see past history too.
  - benterix 2y ago
    I usually start my day by checking these first. Sometimes what happens is some actual spam flagged for genuine reasons but I'd say 70% of the time these are things that are interesting but there is a vocal group that doesn't like it (=the topic itsef, the conclusions of the article, etc.).
    - jrs235 2y ago
      Ditto.

Mistletoe 2y ago

Going to favorite it just so I can find it before it gets flagged. We have to redo the flagging system for HN, it's a complete joke. Why do they persist in the idea that it is better than simple upvotes and downvotes?

itishappy 2y ago
None have been flagged. As I understand, if there's more comments than upvotes in a short period, it's automatically considered engagement bait and deranked. Edit: Per Dang, they have been flagged, but HN has opted to turn off flagging for YC companies. > It set off the flamewar detector. Moderators haven't touched it, except that we turned off the user flags on the story. Otherwise it would be displaying [flagged] at the top. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43170850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43170850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43175023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43175023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43180133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43180133
scarab92 2y ago
I flagged because I can’t stand this overly moralising cancel culture attitude. This exact tech is already commonplace in industry, but no one is trying to find an industry wide solution, just taking cheap pot shots that the nth startup doing the same thing. If you don’t like what this startup is doing, build something better instead of virtue signalling here.
- nurettin 2y ago
  That statement makes no sense. Flagging is cancelling. You are what you can't stand.
  - b112 2y ago
    Bob is repeatedly punching Jon in the head, for invalid reasons. Pete, seeing this, runs up and belts Bob to protect Jon. Are these acts the same?
    - nurettin 2y ago
      Pretty much, yes. I'm surprised you don't spot belting to be an equally violent action.
      - b112 2y ago
        It is violent, but intent is everything. Blowing up a building because you're a mobster, and you're "sending a message", is different from a demolition crew doing the same to make way for a new building. You should really rethink what you're saying. An act is a wholesome, contextualize thing. It does not live in a vacuum. By your measure, a sexual predator grabbing a woman's vagina and a doctor examing a female patient are identical. This is a broken mental map of the world.
        nurettin 2y ago
        [flagged]
      - dredmorbius 2y ago
        A surgeon and an assassin both wield a blade, and both occasionally kill. Their intent and motives differ strongly. Mens rea exists because reasons. (This is also why surgeons generally request a statement of consent to medical procedures from the patient, where that's tractable, or by a representative --- parent, guardian, someone granted power of attorney, etc --- where the patient themselves is incapable of consent. There are still some loose edges, but this itself is a significant though not sole distinction between the two roles noted.)
  - dang 2y ago
    > You are what you can't stand. Wow - did you come up with that or is it a quote? That's a great line. (this is apropos of nothing related to the current story - it just strikes my interests)
- santoshalper 2y ago
  If you don't like evil, you should do something not evil. But also, you shouldn't tell evil people that you don't like what they're doing, because that might hurt their feelings.
- tavavex 2y ago
  The "overly moralising cancel culture" statement doesn't really prove anything here. "overly moralising" just says that you seem to disagree with all arguments based on 'too much morals', with no justification of why those arguments are bad or why using 'morals' is misguided. "cancel culture" means that you disagree with people trying to get things shut down, again, with no justification. This is just the culture war word salad of the decade, because there's no underlying point - just an attempt to wrap all the things people disagree with into one easy-to-dismiss package. And no, this issue isn't something you can out-compete. Authority figures notably love surveillance - no matter if it's your government, a tech megacorp or a manager at a factory. There's no alternative solution that provides the same hit of power and control like surveillance. Social pushback is the only remaining way.
jrs235 2y ago
Use hckrnews.com to find top stories that get flagged out removed.
- abnercoimbre 2y ago
  This is my go-to alternative to read HN. The half-life for front page entries is also longer, which lets you catch up with more ease.
  - jrs235 2y ago
    I select 'All' so you see past history too.
- benterix 2y ago
  I usually start my day by checking these first. Sometimes what happens is some actual spam flagged for genuine reasons but I'd say 70% of the time these are things that are interesting but there is a vocal group that doesn't like it (=the topic itsef, the conclusions of the article, etc.).
  - jrs235 2y ago
    Ditto.