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These guys spent a lot of effort making a really great implementation of sweatshop software. These two privileged kids really thought it was a great idea and ho

These guys spent a lot of effort making a really great implementation of sweatshop software. These two privileged kids really thought it was a great idea and honestly didn't think there was anything wrong about this at all. Objectively they did a great job from a technological perspective. The fact it didn't cross their minds that maybe this is a bad idea to release in the US really shows the cultural difference between the West and other countries like India. There are plenty of things wrong with the US but blatant treating of lesser-privileged people like animals is something that isn't well tolerated here.

duxup 2y ago
> Objectively they did a great job from a technological perspective. It’s not clear to me that their software, actually does what it says… I feel like that wasn’t entirely clear from the demo. It’s not like a short demo proves much.
unclebucknasty 2y ago
>The fact it didn't cross their minds that maybe this is a bad idea to release in the US really shows the cultural difference They're YC-backed. Was there no one to advise them on the "cultural difference"?
- hulitu 2y ago
  > They're YC-backed. Was there no one to advise them on the "cultural difference"? When they talk about money, the "cultural difference" doesn't matter. /s
- darth_avocado 2y ago
  That has been the criticism of YC of late. The “advise” part has been lacking.
ojbyrne 2y ago
I would hazard a guess that plenty of US companies (start with Amazon warehouses, move on to truck drivers) do very similar things, if not exactly the same.
UltraSane 2y ago
I've noticed this in interactions between high caste and low cast Indians at my job. Many High caste Indians have a level of arrogance towards low cast Indians that would make a Goa'uld system lord embarrassed. They truly feel entitled to their subservience and cheap labor. It is remarkable. I'm not sure if anyone born and raised in the US has the same degree of entitlement. You would have to go back to slave plantation owners in the US South.
- jurenbert 2y ago
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- anal_reactor 2y ago
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  - UltraSane 2y ago
    International diplomacy is a very different thing to Indian cast relationships and not relevant to the discussion. When it comes to social elites acting like arrogant jerks the US is morally superior.
    - anal_reactor 2y ago
      Is it? How? In both situations you have a group of people in power who use their power to violate rights of another group of people. Unless you say that this is okay as long as the people whose rights are violated have a different passport.
      - hulitu 2y ago
        > Is it? How? They violate in a different way. /s
      - david38 2y ago
        You can’t be this blind to not know the difference between.
anal_reactor 2y ago
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- david38 2y ago
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  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    I don't know why you're trying to act like domestic abuse (in the purest sense of the word "domestic", not the legal sense) is on another level from systematic abuse. They often go hand-in-hand anyway.
dns_snek 2y ago
> There are plenty of things wrong with the US but blatant treating of lesser-privileged people like animals is something that isn't well tolerated here. Eh, that's flattering, but there are many ways of treating lesser privileged people like animals that are socially acceptable in the US, e.g. homelessness, prison slave labor, healthcare, immigrants, the whole "tough on crime" schtick, just off the top of my head.
- david38 2y ago
  There are all for the most part special cases. Most people aren’t homeless, in prison, illegal immigrants, etc. This is just what-about-ism. Clearly what the person was talking about was how PEOPLE tend to treat others, in vast numbers, so that it’s common to be an offender and even more common to be on the receiving end. There are not 100 million people in the US actively poorly treating 250 million others like cattle.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    dismissing what is often the lowest income part of a country as a minority is a pretty useless tautology. Of course the poorest people are the poorest. >There are not 100 million people in the US actively poorly treating 250 million others like cattle. So it's okay when it's maybe 10,000 people treating 320 million others like cattle?
tim333 2y ago
When I went to India I was quite shocked how badly they treat each other. The killing people for marrying the wrong cast is maybe the worst of it but you see the attitude all the time. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gurugram-woman-22-killed-by-parents-over-inter-caste-marriage-cops-4310456 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gurugram-woman-22-killed-by-...
shalmanese 2y ago
> These guys spent a lot of effort making a really great implementation of sweatshop software. This is such a fallacy of "If it is evil, it must be competent". Did you actually look at the software? In no universe can you confidently infer that it's a "really great implementation", it's childish at best. You're just assuming it so you can make the rest of your argument.
- laidoffamazon 2y ago
  Yeah, I’ll be honest the UI looks like it was churned out by Claude.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  What kind of fallacy is that? I generally assume the opposite. I'm only assuming its somewhat competence because it still got funded by Y Combinator in a pretty stiff time to make pitches.
alienthrowaway 2y ago
> The fact it didn't cross their minds that maybe this is a bad idea to release in the US really shows the cultural difference between the West and other countries like India. There are plenty of things wrong with the US but blatant treating of lesser-privileged people like animals is something that isn't well tolerated here. McDonalds and Amazon are American companies that micromanage workers - the only difference is that their software is inhouse. The next time you're at any fast-food drive through, have a look at the monitors they have up, you'll likely see a timer and stats about rate they are serving customers. More broadly, Hell, mouse-jigglers became a thing, and most American retail outlets won't let their cashiers sit (no chairs!) - talk about treating workers like animals.

duxup 2y ago

> Objectively they did a great job from a technological perspective. It’s not clear to me that their software, actually does what it says… I feel like that wasn’t entirely clear from the demo. It’s not like a short demo proves much.

unclebucknasty 2y ago

>The fact it didn't cross their minds that maybe this is a bad idea to release in the US really shows the cultural difference They're YC-backed. Was there no one to advise them on the "cultural difference"?

hulitu 2y ago
> They're YC-backed. Was there no one to advise them on the "cultural difference"? When they talk about money, the "cultural difference" doesn't matter. /s
darth_avocado 2y ago
That has been the criticism of YC of late. The “advise” part has been lacking.

ojbyrne 2y ago

I would hazard a guess that plenty of US companies (start with Amazon warehouses, move on to truck drivers) do very similar things, if not exactly the same.

UltraSane 2y ago

I've noticed this in interactions between high caste and low cast Indians at my job. Many High caste Indians have a level of arrogance towards low cast Indians that would make a Goa'uld system lord embarrassed. They truly feel entitled to their subservience and cheap labor. It is remarkable. I'm not sure if anyone born and raised in the US has the same degree of entitlement. You would have to go back to slave plantation owners in the US South.

jurenbert 2y ago
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anal_reactor 2y ago
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- UltraSane 2y ago
  International diplomacy is a very different thing to Indian cast relationships and not relevant to the discussion. When it comes to social elites acting like arrogant jerks the US is morally superior.
  - anal_reactor 2y ago
    Is it? How? In both situations you have a group of people in power who use their power to violate rights of another group of people. Unless you say that this is okay as long as the people whose rights are violated have a different passport.
    - hulitu 2y ago
      > Is it? How? They violate in a different way. /s
    - david38 2y ago
      You can’t be this blind to not know the difference between.

anal_reactor 2y ago

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david38 2y ago
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- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  I don't know why you're trying to act like domestic abuse (in the purest sense of the word "domestic", not the legal sense) is on another level from systematic abuse. They often go hand-in-hand anyway.

dns_snek 2y ago

> There are plenty of things wrong with the US but blatant treating of lesser-privileged people like animals is something that isn't well tolerated here. Eh, that's flattering, but there are many ways of treating lesser privileged people like animals that are socially acceptable in the US, e.g. homelessness, prison slave labor, healthcare, immigrants, the whole "tough on crime" schtick, just off the top of my head.

david38 2y ago
There are all for the most part special cases. Most people aren’t homeless, in prison, illegal immigrants, etc. This is just what-about-ism. Clearly what the person was talking about was how PEOPLE tend to treat others, in vast numbers, so that it’s common to be an offender and even more common to be on the receiving end. There are not 100 million people in the US actively poorly treating 250 million others like cattle.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  dismissing what is often the lowest income part of a country as a minority is a pretty useless tautology. Of course the poorest people are the poorest. >There are not 100 million people in the US actively poorly treating 250 million others like cattle. So it's okay when it's maybe 10,000 people treating 320 million others like cattle?

tim333 2y ago

When I went to India I was quite shocked how badly they treat each other. The killing people for marrying the wrong cast is maybe the worst of it but you see the attitude all the time. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gurugram-woman-22-killed-by-parents-over-inter-caste-marriage-cops-4310456 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gurugram-woman-22-killed-by-...

shalmanese 2y ago

> These guys spent a lot of effort making a really great implementation of sweatshop software. This is such a fallacy of "If it is evil, it must be competent". Did you actually look at the software? In no universe can you confidently infer that it's a "really great implementation", it's childish at best. You're just assuming it so you can make the rest of your argument.

laidoffamazon 2y ago
Yeah, I’ll be honest the UI looks like it was churned out by Claude.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
What kind of fallacy is that? I generally assume the opposite. I'm only assuming its somewhat competence because it still got funded by Y Combinator in a pretty stiff time to make pitches.

alienthrowaway 2y ago

> The fact it didn't cross their minds that maybe this is a bad idea to release in the US really shows the cultural difference between the West and other countries like India. There are plenty of things wrong with the US but blatant treating of lesser-privileged people like animals is something that isn't well tolerated here. McDonalds and Amazon are American companies that micromanage workers - the only difference is that their software is inhouse. The next time you're at any fast-food drive through, have a look at the monitors they have up, you'll likely see a timer and stats about rate they are serving customers. More broadly, Hell, mouse-jigglers became a thing, and most American retail outlets won't let their cashiers sit (no chairs!) - talk about treating workers like animals.