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The amount of long term damage that is actively being inflicted to the scientific research community alone because of Elon’s crusade all but guarantees that I w
by SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
The amount of long term damage that is actively being inflicted to the scientific research community alone because of Elon’s crusade all but guarantees that I will never buy another Tesla. The one I have is a great car but I don’t want to be targeted by extremist groups on any side and I don’t want to financially support the economic and social collapse of my country. Elon and thus Tesla is rightfully being labeled as an enabler. If their board agrees, they’ll do the right thing and choose a new CEO.
I’m still a strong supporter of EVs but I’m frustrated that EV owners still pay at least as much for electricity and registration as ICE cars pay for gas (in California). Hybrids still make more financial sense in California.
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- nobankai 2y agoUsed ICE is still cheaper in the US, doubly so when you don't have charging subsidies. Not to mention the variety of Chinese EVs available to the international market. Aftermarket prices are hitting a desperate low for a very, very good reason.
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- nobankai 2y agoIf you can afford a Tesla, you do not principally concern yourself with the price of gas.
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- SlightlyLeftPad 2y agoI’m not blaming Elon for California’s electricity policies.
- hedora 2y agoWe have EVs in California (no Teslas) that support two long-ish commutes. With solar panels, we’re paying close to nothing for electricity. The panels and batteries cost about as much as an EV when we got them, but manufacturing costs have dropped and keep dropping. Starting roughly this year, vehicle to home (V2H) will be mostly standard. That will let you use your car battery to top-off the house battery. That’ll make full-off-grid much more practical, which puts a ceiling on PG&E’s abusive rate hikes.
- SlightlyLeftPad 2y agoI find that most people don’t actually include the cost of solar fairly when making statements like this. Maximum solar that fit on my roof, no battery with 1 EV with maybe 2 hours of driving per weekday - $250 minimum electric bill plus the cost of the solar system ($250 over 10yrs) = $500-$600/month. I almost never use AC or heat.
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- s1artibartfast 2y agoThis isnt very helpful without your solar cost or electricity rate. Parts of California are at $0.50/kwh and going up. Electric cars are ~0.35 kwh/mi. A 60 mile both way commute is 21 kwh/day = 420kwh/month. a 21kwh/day system has a huge range in price depending on how much you are being gouged by your state and contractor. Panels themselves are dirt cheap.
- SlightlyLeftPad 2y agoYes there are a lot of variables. That said, the point is, no one should be buying a Tesla specifically for cost savings. There are plenty of reasons to buy a Tesla and plenty of reasons not to.
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- slau 2y agoIn Denmark, electric is about 5-10% cheaper with my hybrid compared to gasoline. It also has the convenience that my car can charge at the car park without me doing anything. Interestingly, the savings from parking fees are a thousandfold more worth it than the gas stuff.
- SlightlyLeftPad 2y agoI’m getting downvoted but the truth is In California, hybrids make way more financial sense. For one, the cars themselves are significantly cheaper. With a Tesla, I definitely pay more per mile when you factor in the significantly increased registration and rising electricity costs which will definitely be increasing more after annual wildfires.
- jfim 2y agoI've been pretty happy with my plug in hybrid, you get the convenience of charging at home so most day to day miles are electric with no carbon emissions, but without having to worry about where to charge on road trips.
- SlightlyLeftPad 2y agoYeah that’s what I’ve been thinking about getting for my next car too. I need something that comfortably seats 7 that isn’t 100k. You get some decent local electric range for shuttling around town and with gas as a backup for long excursions into remote areas. Even with a Tesla, it’s still challenging to find reliable charging in some areas.
- InvertedRhodium 2y agoMaybe I'm getting old and jaded, but I don't really care about what the CEO or company does. Nearly every time I (and likely you) buy something, it's produced by, transported by, funded by, owned by a company or in a country that has been found guilty of repeated human rights violations. Literal genocides in an alarming number of instances. It almost feels cathartic for the externalities of the society we've built to be burdened by us, rather than someone in another country. That being said, I agree with the self-interest aspect and would also prefer not to be targeted by extremists on either side. The real trick is figuring out who that's going to be ahead of time - my money would have been on Chinese EV's being hit before Tesla.
- lostlogin 2y agoSo you rule out Tesla and Chinese EVs. That leaves most available. It’s not really that complicated to at least try to avoid the most problematic companies.
- InvertedRhodium 2y agoAll those other companies are just as amoral or problematic as Tesla and any Chinese manufacturer (and by extension their respective governments). The only thing that differentiates them in my eyes is price relative to performance, and I buy accordingly.
- handoflixue 2y ago> All those other companies are just as amoral or problematic Doesn't it seem weird and suspicious to you that every company is EXACTLY the same level of immoral? I suppose it could happen, but most industries I've studied have a pretty broad variation. I can't speak for the EV market, but there's plenty of companies in other markets that care about doing the right thing and try to avoid these sorts of problems.
- rurp 2y agoReally? When did the CEO of Honda or Toyota spend immense amounts of wealth and influence to promote fascism and cripple America's strength in a multitude of ways? I suspect they haven't and you're exaggerating to make this an all sides thing to try to excuse Elon's behavior. Scale matters. A CEO being sleazy to a supplier or a some employees, or whatever it is you have in mind, isn't nearly as harmful as everything Musk is doing.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoHere in the PNW we pay $5 for a full charge of our leased Model 3 at home vs $50 for a tank of gas for our ICE car. Switching to EV has saved us about $150 / month (plus all the other benefits). Never going back to ICE (though we're keep our Subaru Forester for camping, etc.), but buying another brand when our Tesla lease runs out; there are other great options out there. (I would try to find someone to take over our Tesla lease but when I spoke to a dealer about this he said that lots of people are trying to do this now so I'm not likely to succeed.)
- SlightlyLeftPad 2y agoIt’s probably closer to $15-20 for a full charge here but the catch is, a full tank of gas will get you a full solid 450-500 miles of range whereas a full battery on a LR Model Y will likely only get you 250ish, sometimes more sometimes less.
- ghfhghg 2y agoBC more specifically I take it?