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i don't know about other people's experience - but my framework with intel cpu is always running that fan relatively maxed out even when it's not doing anything

i don't know about other people's experience - but my framework with intel cpu is always running that fan relatively maxed out even when it's not doing anything. And it has massive issues staying asleep which is some sort of driver issue with Windows. But I can be an airport and all of a sudden my backpack feels like it's about to combust and i can hear my laptop fan rippin', even though it should be asleep.

bityard 2y ago
That is by design, it's a feature from Intel and Microsoft called "modern standby." It basically means your laptop cannot actually sleep anymore. Instead, it enters a slightly-lower-power mode so that it can download emails in the background, run Windows updates in the middle of the night, and generally pretend to be a phone even though no one wants that and the hardware/os was not really designed for it.
- p_l 2y ago
  Modern Standby requires that deepest sleep states take less power than S3 standby, the issue is mainly drivers and applications either waking the system or not putting peripherals into deep enough sleep (or shutting them down entirely if possible)
WD-42 2y ago
Some new laptops cannot actually fully suspend to ram. It sounds crazy but I had this issue even after installing Linux on a laptop. It’s a hardware limitation. You can thank Microsoft for trying to make sure they can sneak in OS updates when you think your laptop is asleep.
- pmontra 2y ago
  By the way, how do people carry those laptops on airplanes if regulations mandate that every radio equipment must be off?
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    They don't. Only cellular connectivity. Most airlines even offer WiFi now
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    Mandate is a strong word.
  - p_l 2y ago
    Airplane mode is still a thing.
- p_l 2y ago
  It's not sneaking in OS updates, it's faster wake-up mainly. Combined with properly prepared HW taking less power in modern standby than in S3, but it requires hardware/firmware/driver/userland confluence to work well
amatic 2y ago
I'm not sure I had the same issue, it is a different laptop, but it would not go to sleep. The current solution is to make it hybernate instead of sleep.

bityard 2y ago

That is by design, it's a feature from Intel and Microsoft called "modern standby." It basically means your laptop cannot actually sleep anymore. Instead, it enters a slightly-lower-power mode so that it can download emails in the background, run Windows updates in the middle of the night, and generally pretend to be a phone even though no one wants that and the hardware/os was not really designed for it.

p_l 2y ago
Modern Standby requires that deepest sleep states take less power than S3 standby, the issue is mainly drivers and applications either waking the system or not putting peripherals into deep enough sleep (or shutting them down entirely if possible)

WD-42 2y ago

Some new laptops cannot actually fully suspend to ram. It sounds crazy but I had this issue even after installing Linux on a laptop. It’s a hardware limitation. You can thank Microsoft for trying to make sure they can sneak in OS updates when you think your laptop is asleep.

pmontra 2y ago
By the way, how do people carry those laptops on airplanes if regulations mandate that every radio equipment must be off?
- wkat4242 2y ago
  They don't. Only cellular connectivity. Most airlines even offer WiFi now
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  Mandate is a strong word.
- p_l 2y ago
  Airplane mode is still a thing.
p_l 2y ago
It's not sneaking in OS updates, it's faster wake-up mainly. Combined with properly prepared HW taking less power in modern standby than in S3, but it requires hardware/firmware/driver/userland confluence to work well

amatic 2y ago

I'm not sure I had the same issue, it is a different laptop, but it would not go to sleep. The current solution is to make it hybernate instead of sleep.