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There is a balance between forgetting your purpose and thinking too narrowly about your business. At first, Framework is "laptops that are repairable". But if

There is a balance between forgetting your purpose and thinking too narrowly about your business. At first, Framework is "laptops that are repairable". But if you broaden what they are, they are a disruptor of direct-to-consumer computing equipment, with a core competency of repairability and upgradability. An integrated CPU/RAM is a decrease in that measure, but it is for a valid benefit - a large improvement in performance for low-power graphics and AI software. They aren't sacrificing upgradability for aesthetic, and they continue to offer fully upgradable laptops. I wonder if modular memory will continue to evolve and be competitive bandwidth wise with soldered.

jsheard 2y ago
> I wonder if modular memory will continue to evolve and be competitive bandwidth wise with soldered. That's the promise of CAMM2, which is supposed to enable socketed LPDDR with almost the same performance as soldered-down LPDDR. It's still pretty bleeding-edge though so it's hard to blame Framework for sticking with soldered memory for now.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  It's on package memory that AMD sells bundled to OEMs.
  - ac29 2y ago
    Strix Halo doesn't have on package memory, are you thinking of Intel's Lunar Lake?
- preisschild 2y ago
  Apparently that AMD CPU isnt even compatible with CAMM2 because of technical reasons. Framework CEO explained it in LinusTechTips video.
- aseipp 2y ago
  CAMM2 only has a 128-bit bus so it's going to severely compromise performance for workloads that want higher interconnect bandwidth, which Strix Halo is targeted at. For things like that, wider busses are always going to give much better performance/watt than upping clock speeds. I'd be more than happy to see CAMM2 in general laptops, but it will probably always be much weaker at shared GPU/CPU designs like Strix Halo, Grace, Apple's M series, etc.
  - Manabu-eo 2y ago
    You just need to use two CAMM2 to get 256-bit bus, just like what you do with regular DIMMs when you need more channels.

jsheard 2y ago

> I wonder if modular memory will continue to evolve and be competitive bandwidth wise with soldered. That's the promise of CAMM2, which is supposed to enable socketed LPDDR with almost the same performance as soldered-down LPDDR. It's still pretty bleeding-edge though so it's hard to blame Framework for sticking with soldered memory for now.

throwaway48476 2y ago
It's on package memory that AMD sells bundled to OEMs.
- ac29 2y ago
  Strix Halo doesn't have on package memory, are you thinking of Intel's Lunar Lake?
preisschild 2y ago
Apparently that AMD CPU isnt even compatible with CAMM2 because of technical reasons. Framework CEO explained it in LinusTechTips video.
aseipp 2y ago
CAMM2 only has a 128-bit bus so it's going to severely compromise performance for workloads that want higher interconnect bandwidth, which Strix Halo is targeted at. For things like that, wider busses are always going to give much better performance/watt than upping clock speeds. I'd be more than happy to see CAMM2 in general laptops, but it will probably always be much weaker at shared GPU/CPU designs like Strix Halo, Grace, Apple's M series, etc.
- Manabu-eo 2y ago
  You just need to use two CAMM2 to get 256-bit bus, just like what you do with regular DIMMs when you need more channels.