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would have been cool to know about this a month ago i just built a mini ITX gaming PC for a friend, and this one looks pretty good for quality/$. good enough t

would have been cool to know about this a month ago i just built a mini ITX gaming PC for a friend, and this one looks pretty good for quality/$. good enough that i wouldn't be surprised if these get snapped up and re-sold for more than the sticker price i think it makes more sense to think of it as a high-end console, given that basically everything is soldered, though

dangus 2y ago
This is a terrible gaming PC. It’s really meant for running LLMs, the main benefit is the large amount of unified graphics memory, which is not relevant to gaming. For one thing, the price per FPS for gaming is going to be terrible. This price can get you a serious rig with much better performance. Gaming is a very specific workload that almost entirely depends on the GPU. It is hard to even purchase a CPU that performs poorly in gaming by accident, or unless you are a hyper-specific type of gamer (like someone who plays e-sports titles and expects 300FPS for optimal reaction time, or someone who plays extremely CPU-intense games like Stellaris). You don’t want a gaming PC with soldered GPU, even if you are using it as a “console,” even if you prioritize small size. You really want the ability to replace graphics cards because none of the other components important to gaming age out very quickly. Here are all of the parts in my system that are older than my current graphics card (2024): - Motherboard - CPU - RAM - Power Supply - SSD - Case - CPU cooler Here is a list of those parts that are older than my previous graphics card (2020) - RAM - Case - Power Supply - Motherboard - SSD Here is a list of all the components that are older than the prior graphics cards before that! (Year unknown) - Motherboard - RAM - Power Supply Arguably I didn’t even need to upgrade the CPU, the cooler upgrade was necessitated by the CPU upgrade, and the case upgrade and SSD were both just personal wants and not needs. Basically everything that matters besides my graphics card has stayed very constant but upgrading the GPU has increased my gaming performance by over 100% in the period I have described.
- harrison_clarke 2y ago
  a quick search told me that this thing's GPU (8060s) is comparable to a 4070 from what i can tell, a 4070 alone is ~$750. this thing is apparently $799 for the CPU+GPU+RAM+motherboard all soldered together ($300 more for case+PSU+SSD) if the CPU+RAM+motherboard are costing me $50, i don't really care if i have to throw them out along with the GPU
  - lifty 2y ago
    I think it's equivalent to a laptop 4070, not to a desktop one.
    - harrison_clarke 2y ago
      well, that's a hostile naming scheme from the specs, a mobile 4070 looks like its basically a 4060 ti, underclocked to ~60%
      - dangus 2y ago
        It's a hostile naming scheme but unfortunately that's how mobile GPUs have worked since the dawn of time.
        harrison_clarke 2y ago
        i think the thing that got me was that people wrote articles comparing this thing to a laptop GPU, and i didn't read far enough to notice. normally, people compare desktop stuff to desktop stuff, and laptop stuff to laptop stuff i haven't bought a laptop gpu since ~2008. from what i remember, they used to at least put "mobility" in the name, or throw and 'm' after the number, or something

dangus 2y ago

This is a terrible gaming PC. It’s really meant for running LLMs, the main benefit is the large amount of unified graphics memory, which is not relevant to gaming. For one thing, the price per FPS for gaming is going to be terrible. This price can get you a serious rig with much better performance. Gaming is a very specific workload that almost entirely depends on the GPU. It is hard to even purchase a CPU that performs poorly in gaming by accident, or unless you are a hyper-specific type of gamer (like someone who plays e-sports titles and expects 300FPS for optimal reaction time, or someone who plays extremely CPU-intense games like Stellaris). You don’t want a gaming PC with soldered GPU, even if you are using it as a “console,” even if you prioritize small size. You really want the ability to replace graphics cards because none of the other components important to gaming age out very quickly. Here are all of the parts in my system that are older than my current graphics card (2024): - Motherboard - CPU - RAM - Power Supply - SSD - Case - CPU cooler Here is a list of those parts that are older than my previous graphics card (2020) - RAM - Case - Power Supply - Motherboard - SSD Here is a list of all the components that are older than the prior graphics cards before that! (Year unknown) - Motherboard - RAM - Power Supply Arguably I didn’t even need to upgrade the CPU, the cooler upgrade was necessitated by the CPU upgrade, and the case upgrade and SSD were both just personal wants and not needs. Basically everything that matters besides my graphics card has stayed very constant but upgrading the GPU has increased my gaming performance by over 100% in the period I have described.

harrison_clarke 2y ago
a quick search told me that this thing's GPU (8060s) is comparable to a 4070 from what i can tell, a 4070 alone is ~$750. this thing is apparently $799 for the CPU+GPU+RAM+motherboard all soldered together ($300 more for case+PSU+SSD) if the CPU+RAM+motherboard are costing me $50, i don't really care if i have to throw them out along with the GPU
- lifty 2y ago
  I think it's equivalent to a laptop 4070, not to a desktop one.
  - harrison_clarke 2y ago
    well, that's a hostile naming scheme from the specs, a mobile 4070 looks like its basically a 4060 ti, underclocked to ~60%
    - dangus 2y ago
      It's a hostile naming scheme but unfortunately that's how mobile GPUs have worked since the dawn of time.
      - harrison_clarke 2y ago
        i think the thing that got me was that people wrote articles comparing this thing to a laptop GPU, and i didn't read far enough to notice. normally, people compare desktop stuff to desktop stuff, and laptop stuff to laptop stuff i haven't bought a laptop gpu since ~2008. from what i remember, they used to at least put "mobility" in the name, or throw and 'm' after the number, or something