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This is exactly why we need regulations that prohibit this. The upcoming EU regulations [0] seem to at least partially cover this, as employment is one of the h

This is exactly why we need regulations that prohibit this. The upcoming EU regulations [0] seem to at least partially cover this, as employment is one of the high risk categories for AI systems. What that means in detail is still to be seen, but at least the groundwork is already there. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43152937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43152937

Rygian 2y ago
What the article describes is already very very hard to achieve legally under GDPR. I don't think new regulations are required.
theamk 2y ago
Will those regulations help with non-AI version of the same? If you want plot a worker's performance graphs (and fire them for underperformance), you don't need any AI or vision or even a computer, just a supervisor who manually counts the workers' outputs. "Hey number 17, how come you made only has 10 boxes this morning, while number 16's has made 25 boxes already. Work harder!" Unlike AI stuff, it will only be daily/twice-per-day; but that is still enough for the dystopia that is described in the article.
- fragmede 2y ago
  wdym if?
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- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  >Will those regulations help with non-AI version of the same? No, but it adds friction and slows down the corruption. Sometimes that can be just as important as making long term preventative measurements.
- Aveng1991 2y ago
  This form or efficiency enforcement is already a wildly practiced method in apparel manufacturing. What you need is a performance metric form and a pen and one supervisor to monitor the unit. Additionally a white board in public display with each worker’s hourly output also works. A better method of efficiency is also commonly practiced by some factories, which is to pay per unit. This practice ties the earning to the output and is far more efficient. Workers do feel in control and can earn 3X - 4X if they were on monthly salary. However this method is skill oriented and many not be practical all the time, plus it can be a little costly. The assembly line method is a cheaper alternative, since it forfeits the need for every workers to be equally skilled. The downside to this method is that inefficiency can easily creep in.
HenryBemis 2y ago
GDPR also makes this practically impossible: a camera pointed straight at your face every working moment profiling use of AI

Rygian 2y ago

What the article describes is already very very hard to achieve legally under GDPR. I don't think new regulations are required.

theamk 2y ago

Will those regulations help with non-AI version of the same? If you want plot a worker's performance graphs (and fire them for underperformance), you don't need any AI or vision or even a computer, just a supervisor who manually counts the workers' outputs. "Hey number 17, how come you made only has 10 boxes this morning, while number 16's has made 25 boxes already. Work harder!" Unlike AI stuff, it will only be daily/twice-per-day; but that is still enough for the dystopia that is described in the article.

fragmede 2y ago
wdym if?
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johnnyanmac 2y ago
>Will those regulations help with non-AI version of the same? No, but it adds friction and slows down the corruption. Sometimes that can be just as important as making long term preventative measurements.
Aveng1991 2y ago
This form or efficiency enforcement is already a wildly practiced method in apparel manufacturing. What you need is a performance metric form and a pen and one supervisor to monitor the unit. Additionally a white board in public display with each worker’s hourly output also works. A better method of efficiency is also commonly practiced by some factories, which is to pay per unit. This practice ties the earning to the output and is far more efficient. Workers do feel in control and can earn 3X - 4X if they were on monthly salary. However this method is skill oriented and many not be practical all the time, plus it can be a little costly. The assembly line method is a cheaper alternative, since it forfeits the need for every workers to be equally skilled. The downside to this method is that inefficiency can easily creep in.

HenryBemis 2y ago

GDPR also makes this practically impossible: a camera pointed straight at your face every working moment profiling use of AI