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Then say ugly. "Shitty" can be ambiguous as you see. Most people would classify buggy code as shitty code. > Then you've never been around the smartest people.
by bena 2y ago
Then say ugly. "Shitty" can be ambiguous as you see. Most people would classify buggy code as shitty code.
> Then you've never been around the smartest people. Likely you've been around smarter then average people.
This is essentially using your own belief as proof that your belief is correct. You say I haven't been around the smartest people because I say the smartest people don't do what you claim. You are saying "I'm right therefore you are wrong". Maybe you haven't been around the smartest people.
> Yeah and the smartest people structure the problem in their head in a way normal people can't easily understand. They can hold much more in their head so the structures can be complex.
Complex is easy. Simple is hard. And yes, some things are inherently more complex than others. But the goal is to hold the important things in your head. Offload as much as you can so you can focus on what matters.
> Isn't that my point? Formatting rules are a bunch of pointless minutiae to intelligent people. It doesn't assist them in readability because their intelligence allows them to parse even the shittiest code with complete ease. And I mean aesthetically shitty, not intrinsically shitty.
No. It's not the point you are making.
Also, look at to everything I said. Strict adherence to any one style is not a marker of intelligence. I explicitly said that strict adherence is essentially for people in a wide range of skills. But the best have preferences, but realize that they are more guidelines and readability matters more than the rules.
And the rules should be logical and essentially second nature. Like indenting is completely optional in most languages. But proper indenting allows you to better visualize the flow of the code. Nobody reads/writes minified JavaScript.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago>This is essentially using your own belief as proof that your belief is correct. You say I haven't been around the smartest people because I say the smartest people don't do what you claim. You are saying "I'm right therefore you are wrong". Maybe you haven't been around the smartest people. I have quantitative evidence of this. There IQs were above 150. >Complex is easy. Simple is hard. And yes, some things are inherently more complex than others. But the goal is to hold the important things in your head. Offload as much as you can so you can focus on what matters. complex is not easy. And simple is not necessarily always hard. The story is obviously more complex then this. >No. It's not the point you are making. It is. It was a rhetorical question. I looked at everything you said. First off I never said anything about strict adeherence to a style. Smart people have there preferences. >And the rules should be logical and essentially second nature. Like indenting is completely optional in most languages. But proper indenting allows you to better visualize the flow of the code. Nobody reads/writes minified JavaScript. I've seen smart people who can do this. They don't even really care.
- bena 2y ago[flagged]
- ninetyninenine 2y agoIt came up because we talked about Mensa and he was part of it. I asked his iq and he told me. He claimed it and I believe him. Then the other guy also said he was offered to join Mensa but didn’t. Take from that what you will.
- bena 2y agoSo we're talking about two people? Not a huge sample size. Not to mention, 150+ puts one in the 99.9th percentile. One in a thousand. So out of every thousand people you meet, one of them probably had an equivalent IQ. That being said, I guarantee that there are way more people on these boards with equivalent levels of intelligence and that those people also know several people with equivalent levels of intelligence. You are likely arguing against a couple of them. And you aren't arguing about something you can do, you are arguing about people who claim to be doing it. Also, let's separate "ability to program" from intelligence. While intelligence is a boon to most things, including ability to program, you can be smart and bad at things. Also, let's give them some benefit of the doubt. There is a difference between code you don't understand and poorly formatted code.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y agoCould you please stop breaking the site guidelines? We've already had to ask you once. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Note this one: "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads, and you've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. If you know more than others and are smarter and more above-average than others, that's great—in that case please share some of what you know so the rest of us can learn. If you don't have time or don't want to do that, that's fine too—but in that case please don't post. Posting putdowns instead doesn't help anybody, and it degrades the container. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=share%20know%20learn%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...