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In no particular order: * 3d Printing * Cloud Computing * The iPhone * Google * Google Translate * Google Maps * CRISPR * Netflix * SpaceX * Electric

In no particular order: * 3d Printing * Cloud Computing * The iPhone * Google * Google Translate * Google Maps * CRISPR * Netflix * SpaceX * Electric Vehicles * OpenAI * Drones You may not include Uber in that list, but I would. I vividly remember taxis before Uber.

alabastervlog 2y ago
How many of those were outsiders walking in and spotting the solutions none of the so-called experts could, or whatever? It's a short list, to the point that I'd call the entire notion effectively a myth, not much better than chance and probably more often having to do with huge amounts of money being thrown at it, not outsider status or brilliant computer nerds or tech business jerks being magically good at other fields.
- bhelkey 2y ago
  Off the top of my head, I would count Google, Google Translate, Google Maps, Netflix, OpenAI, Uber, PayPal, Amazon, and SpaceX in the category of outsiders creating a massively influential product. You are free to pick apart the companies and their origins to decide if they are enough of an outsider for you.
  - hmmm-i-wonder 2y ago
    Uber specifically needs to be removed from that list. The business model is 'drain investor money to undercut existing business and then abuse contractors and employment laws to attempt to make a profit after'. There isn't much innovation anymore, most cab companies have similar apps and experiences now.
hmmm-i-wonder 2y ago
This is a list of general technology. Musk, Zuck and Trump specifically (the post I was replying to) have had little impact on much of this list. 3d printing, iphone, google, crispr, netflix have little to nothing to do with them. Honestly why is CRISPR in this list, that is from scientists and labs not tech billionaires and busniess. Cloud computing has been impacted a lot by Zuck and invented/reinvented by Bezos yes (not that Bezos was in the list I replied to). Google Maps and Translate were both bought and innovation happened outside the space we're talking about. Spacex and Electric Vehicles. Musk got onboard after the fact and used money and influence to push the existing path forward. The telling part is once that path is done things derail quickly when Musk is the one coming up with ideas (cybertruck, booring company etc..)

alabastervlog 2y ago

How many of those were outsiders walking in and spotting the solutions none of the so-called experts could, or whatever? It's a short list, to the point that I'd call the entire notion effectively a myth, not much better than chance and probably more often having to do with huge amounts of money being thrown at it, not outsider status or brilliant computer nerds or tech business jerks being magically good at other fields.

bhelkey 2y ago
Off the top of my head, I would count Google, Google Translate, Google Maps, Netflix, OpenAI, Uber, PayPal, Amazon, and SpaceX in the category of outsiders creating a massively influential product. You are free to pick apart the companies and their origins to decide if they are enough of an outsider for you.
- hmmm-i-wonder 2y ago
  Uber specifically needs to be removed from that list. The business model is 'drain investor money to undercut existing business and then abuse contractors and employment laws to attempt to make a profit after'. There isn't much innovation anymore, most cab companies have similar apps and experiences now.

hmmm-i-wonder 2y ago

This is a list of general technology. Musk, Zuck and Trump specifically (the post I was replying to) have had little impact on much of this list. 3d printing, iphone, google, crispr, netflix have little to nothing to do with them. Honestly why is CRISPR in this list, that is from scientists and labs not tech billionaires and busniess. Cloud computing has been impacted a lot by Zuck and invented/reinvented by Bezos yes (not that Bezos was in the list I replied to). Google Maps and Translate were both bought and innovation happened outside the space we're talking about. Spacex and Electric Vehicles. Musk got onboard after the fact and used money and influence to push the existing path forward. The telling part is once that path is done things derail quickly when Musk is the one coming up with ideas (cybertruck, booring company etc..)