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Daily updates have been a basic requirement of almost every tech job for the last 20+ years. That timeline is about right for government adoption of best pract

Daily updates have been a basic requirement of almost every tech job for the last 20+ years. That timeline is about right for government adoption of best practices.

skeeter2020 2y ago
You've had some pretty shitty tech jobs if you've had to provide a status update jsutifying why you should keep your job, every day for the last 20 years.
- thunky 2y ago
  Ever heard of a daily standup? They are typically mandated by managers to get status updates, which leads to people justifying their job every day.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    I have not worked for a place that did daily updates for over a decade, and they only did it sparingly during particularly busy weeks. This is absolutely not the norm in "every tech job." In my current job, I have a 30 minute meeting w/my manager every two weeks which is my only update meeting with him, and it's usually canceled.
    - thunky 2y ago
      Nobody said "every tech job", but it's certainly not uncommon. The "standup" part means that it's supposed to be a quick meeting at the beginning of each day - so quick that you don't even sit down. But it's often abused to include way too many people or go way too long. Just search anywhere for "daily standup" and you'll see what I mean. Then consider yourself lucky.
      - warmcompress 2y ago
        Comparing daily standup to the situation here is an equivocation so sublimely dumb that I'm just... at a loss. Also— if standup is just a manager mandating people to give updates in a daily meeting, that's a Scrum smell: it's probably wasting time, when people could be doing reports on their work activities in one of the many, many ways organizations do in the pursuit of getting things done. Not the best way to go about it! Oh, the "smell" part means that it's an issue - as in an unpleasant odor that indicates a problem. Just FYI, in case the Hacker News crowd might need another term from the world of software development defined.
        thunky 2y ago
        You seem to have lost the thread. It started here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43172240 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43172240 You've had some pretty shitty tech jobs if you've had to provide a status update jsutifying why you should keep your job, every day for the last 20 years. To your points: - that's a Scrum smell - it's probably wasting time - Not the best way to go about it! - Oh, the "smell" part means that it's an issue We agree.
    - Volundr 2y ago
      To be fair I've done plenty of jobs where a daily stand is the norm. That said my daily stand isn't being sent to ??? (Who is actually reviewing these?) That's maybe be run buy a guy the CEO happens to know who might or might not be in charge of an unrelated department depending on when you happen to ask. I've also never felt I had to avoid using certain keywords lest my work be labeled DEI and my job eliminated.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Wait people are using daily standups as a substitute for managing their people instead of identifying/removing blocks?
    - Izkata 2y ago
      Yes, I don't know how common it is overall but it is something people complain about here on HN when managers get involved.
acdha 2y ago
Daily updates to your management, who have both authority and the context to know what they asked you to do, and they probably aren’t saying failure to send it means you’re fired. This is like the CEO’s drinking buddy who doesn’t even officially work there demanding that you justify your continued employment when they don’t even know what your job is and have no experience performing it.

Daily updates have been a basic requirement of almost every tech job for the last 20+ years. That timeline is about right for government adoption of best practices.

skeeter2020 2y ago

You've had some pretty shitty tech jobs if you've had to provide a status update jsutifying why you should keep your job, every day for the last 20 years.

thunky 2y ago
Ever heard of a daily standup? They are typically mandated by managers to get status updates, which leads to people justifying their job every day.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  I have not worked for a place that did daily updates for over a decade, and they only did it sparingly during particularly busy weeks. This is absolutely not the norm in "every tech job." In my current job, I have a 30 minute meeting w/my manager every two weeks which is my only update meeting with him, and it's usually canceled.
  - thunky 2y ago
    Nobody said "every tech job", but it's certainly not uncommon. The "standup" part means that it's supposed to be a quick meeting at the beginning of each day - so quick that you don't even sit down. But it's often abused to include way too many people or go way too long. Just search anywhere for "daily standup" and you'll see what I mean. Then consider yourself lucky.
    - warmcompress 2y ago
      Comparing daily standup to the situation here is an equivocation so sublimely dumb that I'm just... at a loss. Also— if standup is just a manager mandating people to give updates in a daily meeting, that's a Scrum smell: it's probably wasting time, when people could be doing reports on their work activities in one of the many, many ways organizations do in the pursuit of getting things done. Not the best way to go about it! Oh, the "smell" part means that it's an issue - as in an unpleasant odor that indicates a problem. Just FYI, in case the Hacker News crowd might need another term from the world of software development defined.
      - thunky 2y ago
        You seem to have lost the thread. It started here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43172240 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43172240 You've had some pretty shitty tech jobs if you've had to provide a status update jsutifying why you should keep your job, every day for the last 20 years. To your points: - that's a Scrum smell - it's probably wasting time - Not the best way to go about it! - Oh, the "smell" part means that it's an issue We agree.
  - Volundr 2y ago
    To be fair I've done plenty of jobs where a daily stand is the norm. That said my daily stand isn't being sent to ??? (Who is actually reviewing these?) That's maybe be run buy a guy the CEO happens to know who might or might not be in charge of an unrelated department depending on when you happen to ask. I've also never felt I had to avoid using certain keywords lest my work be labeled DEI and my job eliminated.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Wait people are using daily standups as a substitute for managing their people instead of identifying/removing blocks?
  - Izkata 2y ago
    Yes, I don't know how common it is overall but it is something people complain about here on HN when managers get involved.

acdha 2y ago

Daily updates to your management, who have both authority and the context to know what they asked you to do, and they probably aren’t saying failure to send it means you’re fired. This is like the CEO’s drinking buddy who doesn’t even officially work there demanding that you justify your continued employment when they don’t even know what your job is and have no experience performing it.