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> She described federal prison as “hell and torture” and said she was “not the same person I was back then”. “The people I love the most have to walk away as I

> She described federal prison as “hell and torture” and said she was “not the same person I was back then”. “The people I love the most have to walk away as I stand here, a prisoner, and my reality sinks in” would love to see Holmes as a face of prison reform when she gets out, she has the right skills and connections to really make a difference

callc 2y ago
Why Holmes? I can’t tell if this is sarcasm. I would rather not see a person known to be psychopathic a lier, and lacking empathy (imagine the mindset to fake medical devices, having a direct impact on the healthcare of individual people) be the forefront of a social progressive movement. Can we not find someone with better qualities?
- dustingetz 2y ago
  the thing is, to spearhead prison reform, you need someone who was once a prisoner, and the intersection of that with "compassionate, honest, empathetic" characteristics would not appear to be very large
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  - walls 2y ago
    > the intersection of that with "compassionate, honest, empathetic" characteristics would not appear to be very large It's also not to be found here. You're applying character traits to a person just because of their gender.
    - dustingetz 2y ago
      I'm doing what now? The point is there's a high correlation between being a prisoner and being a psychopath, so you do not necessarily get to have super high honesty and compassion or whatever in the list of traits of a person who will reform prison. What you do get to do, is look at the set of actual people who have experienced prison (and therefore are most motivated and qualified to fix it), and sort by entrepreneurial skill. Hers is not zero.
      - mrguyorama 2y ago
        >The point is there's a high correlation between being a prisoner and being a psychopath, America imprisons vastly more than any other liberal nation. We have no shortage of people who spent a decade in prison despite not committing the crime and eventually getting out. Why Holmes over people who didn't deserve prison?
        dustingetz 2y ago
        How come none of those people did it yet?
graboy 2y ago
She is a psychopath, she has not changed, the "loving, caring mother" thing is a false persona she has created.
- aitchnyu 2y ago
  Yikes, two humans born for purely selfish purposes. Couple of dates: indictment: June 15, 2018; trial: August 31, 2021. > In early 2019, Holmes became engaged to Evans, a 27-year-old heir to Evans Hotels, a family-owned group of hotels in the San Diego area.[136][135] In mid-2019, Holmes and Evans reportedly married in a private ceremony.[137][138] Holmes and Evans have not directly confirmed whether the two are legally married, and several sources continue to refer to him as her "partner" rather than her husband.[139][140] Holmes gave birth to a son in July 2021.[140] In October 2022, weeks before her sentencing hearing, it was reported she was pregnant with a second child.[141] Holmes was accused of conceiving a second child, according to a court filing from February 2023, as a strategy for delaying the start of her prison term.
rich_sasha 2y ago
I have no intimate knowledge of US prisons, but she seems to be kept in a minimum security prison: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan Apparently, according to this: https://federalcriminaldefenseattorney.com/prison-life/prison-security-levels/minimum-security-prisons/#h-what-is-minimum-security-prison-like https://federalcriminaldefenseattorney.com/prison-life/priso... there are no guards or fences, hardly any violence. There is a gym, various sports facilities and medical care. I'm not volunteering to swap my life for this, but "hell and torture"..???
- chb 2y ago
  The self-pitying words of entitlement coupled with a persecution complex.

callc 2y ago

Why Holmes? I can’t tell if this is sarcasm. I would rather not see a person known to be psychopathic a lier, and lacking empathy (imagine the mindset to fake medical devices, having a direct impact on the healthcare of individual people) be the forefront of a social progressive movement. Can we not find someone with better qualities?

dustingetz 2y ago
the thing is, to spearhead prison reform, you need someone who was once a prisoner, and the intersection of that with "compassionate, honest, empathetic" characteristics would not appear to be very large
- deleted 2y ago
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- walls 2y ago
  > the intersection of that with "compassionate, honest, empathetic" characteristics would not appear to be very large It's also not to be found here. You're applying character traits to a person just because of their gender.
  - dustingetz 2y ago
    I'm doing what now? The point is there's a high correlation between being a prisoner and being a psychopath, so you do not necessarily get to have super high honesty and compassion or whatever in the list of traits of a person who will reform prison. What you do get to do, is look at the set of actual people who have experienced prison (and therefore are most motivated and qualified to fix it), and sort by entrepreneurial skill. Hers is not zero.
    - mrguyorama 2y ago
      >The point is there's a high correlation between being a prisoner and being a psychopath, America imprisons vastly more than any other liberal nation. We have no shortage of people who spent a decade in prison despite not committing the crime and eventually getting out. Why Holmes over people who didn't deserve prison?
      - dustingetz 2y ago
        How come none of those people did it yet?

graboy 2y ago

She is a psychopath, she has not changed, the "loving, caring mother" thing is a false persona she has created.

aitchnyu 2y ago
Yikes, two humans born for purely selfish purposes. Couple of dates: indictment: June 15, 2018; trial: August 31, 2021. > In early 2019, Holmes became engaged to Evans, a 27-year-old heir to Evans Hotels, a family-owned group of hotels in the San Diego area.[136][135] In mid-2019, Holmes and Evans reportedly married in a private ceremony.[137][138] Holmes and Evans have not directly confirmed whether the two are legally married, and several sources continue to refer to him as her "partner" rather than her husband.[139][140] Holmes gave birth to a son in July 2021.[140] In October 2022, weeks before her sentencing hearing, it was reported she was pregnant with a second child.[141] Holmes was accused of conceiving a second child, according to a court filing from February 2023, as a strategy for delaying the start of her prison term.

rich_sasha 2y ago

I have no intimate knowledge of US prisons, but she seems to be kept in a minimum security prison: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan Apparently, according to this: https://federalcriminaldefenseattorney.com/prison-life/prison-security-levels/minimum-security-prisons/#h-what-is-minimum-security-prison-like https://federalcriminaldefenseattorney.com/prison-life/priso... there are no guards or fences, hardly any violence. There is a gym, various sports facilities and medical care. I'm not volunteering to swap my life for this, but "hell and torture"..???

chb 2y ago
The self-pitying words of entitlement coupled with a persecution complex.