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While I don't personally agree with the law, I genuinely hope we witness a major corporation withdraw from a market just so we can finally observe the concrete

While I don't personally agree with the law, I genuinely hope we witness a major corporation withdraw from a market just so we can finally observe the concrete impact of these types of threats. (Even though their position is understandable in this particular case.)

Schiendelman 2y ago
Have you ever read the book The Corporation? It goes into some detail about why corporations can't do that. Not "won't" - can't.
- frontalier 2y ago
  i did not read the book but i did read the news when google gave up on serving censored search results in china
  - Schiendelman 2y ago
    What would you say the difference is between Google in 2010 in China and Apple in 2025 in the UK?
disruptiveink 2y ago
Google ultimately did that for China. The outcome in that case is that the domestic market filled in the gaps, while complying to all relevant authoritarian legislation. I do not believe that the same would happen for every market where these stunts are being pulled off, at least not to the same level of quality. Why are European countries trying to pull one off from the China playbook, while simultaneously being shocked that companies react to authoritarian moves in the exact same way as they have done in the past, is beyond me. Is the hubris so large that they honestly can't conceive their "requirements" as being "literally the same as China?"
- dartos 2y ago
  Would you want to be reliant on American companies right now?
  - throwaway8576 2y ago
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  - SirHumphrey 2y ago
    Not wanting to be reliant on american companies because of the data and technological sovereignty is admirable. Not wanting to be reliant on American companies because they don’t allow you to spy on your own citizens as much as you want through…
- hx8 2y ago
  Having to build local alternatives probably had a positive impact on China's software industry. We're at a point today that major Chinese software/tech companies are routinely talked about on nightly news.
  - kdmtctl 2y ago
    China has a user base that could make any app insanely popular. In the single country. Not to mention that EU has less people, EU is also very diverse culturally and the gap keeps widen.
  - shalmanese 2y ago
    India banning TikTok did not have the same effect on the Indian software market [1]. The local competitors that cropped up were mostly disappointing and didn't outcompete YT/Instagram. Similarly, the benefits of Sweden banning Signal would most likely accrue to WhatsApp, not any indigenous software company. [1] https://restofworld.org/2022/tiktok-sized-hole-in-india/ https://restofworld.org/2022/tiktok-sized-hole-in-india/
Havoc 2y ago
Someone is always willing to bend towards what the market requires - including complying with whatever insanity gov wants
- esafak 2y ago
  Let them. If you bend you reduce the options for people who do not want that.

Schiendelman 2y ago

Have you ever read the book The Corporation? It goes into some detail about why corporations can't do that. Not "won't" - can't.

frontalier 2y ago
i did not read the book but i did read the news when google gave up on serving censored search results in china
- Schiendelman 2y ago
  What would you say the difference is between Google in 2010 in China and Apple in 2025 in the UK?

disruptiveink 2y ago

Google ultimately did that for China. The outcome in that case is that the domestic market filled in the gaps, while complying to all relevant authoritarian legislation. I do not believe that the same would happen for every market where these stunts are being pulled off, at least not to the same level of quality. Why are European countries trying to pull one off from the China playbook, while simultaneously being shocked that companies react to authoritarian moves in the exact same way as they have done in the past, is beyond me. Is the hubris so large that they honestly can't conceive their "requirements" as being "literally the same as China?"

dartos 2y ago
Would you want to be reliant on American companies right now?
- throwaway8576 2y ago
  [dead]
- SirHumphrey 2y ago
  Not wanting to be reliant on american companies because of the data and technological sovereignty is admirable. Not wanting to be reliant on American companies because they don’t allow you to spy on your own citizens as much as you want through…
hx8 2y ago
Having to build local alternatives probably had a positive impact on China's software industry. We're at a point today that major Chinese software/tech companies are routinely talked about on nightly news.
- kdmtctl 2y ago
  China has a user base that could make any app insanely popular. In the single country. Not to mention that EU has less people, EU is also very diverse culturally and the gap keeps widen.
- shalmanese 2y ago
  India banning TikTok did not have the same effect on the Indian software market [1]. The local competitors that cropped up were mostly disappointing and didn't outcompete YT/Instagram. Similarly, the benefits of Sweden banning Signal would most likely accrue to WhatsApp, not any indigenous software company. [1] https://restofworld.org/2022/tiktok-sized-hole-in-india/ https://restofworld.org/2022/tiktok-sized-hole-in-india/

Havoc 2y ago

Someone is always willing to bend towards what the market requires - including complying with whatever insanity gov wants

esafak 2y ago
Let them. If you bend you reduce the options for people who do not want that.