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If you post anything pro-Musk, or even anything questioning people posting deranged conspiracy theories about him without evidence, you just get flagged and dow

If you post anything pro-Musk, or even anything questioning people posting deranged conspiracy theories about him without evidence, you just get flagged and downvoted and yelled at. Why bother engaging? Lefties in America are mad they lost the election and lefties in Europe are mad that Americans are expressing their opinions about European politics. They are angry, and don't want to engage in good faith or have a real conversation. So why bother trying to engage with people that just want to rant. It is like if your girlfriend comes to you and rants about her day. She doesn't want to debate the issue she is ranting about and if you tried to do so you'd be reading the room very wrong. Your entire comment, by the way, is inaccurate. He is not incompetent or stupid, obviously. He isn't failing: the EU is putting tariffs on EVs made in China because it can't compete on price. The rest of the stuff is just pathetic. Nazi! REALLY? That is the level of discourse on HN now. It is so obvious that these threads are brigaded.

brigade77 2y ago
It is sad. Also, because people who do post something that can be construed to be "pro-Musk" on one issue can also post "anti-Musk" statements on other issues. Apart from the leftists, the pro war lobby is also mad at peace talks. And they have many more organizations like USAID.
- thrance 2y ago
  "USAID is pro-war", "Russia is pro-peace", "freedom is slavery", etc. It's impressive how you're able to completely disconnect your critical thinking. Fox News, Rogan and X really did a number on you, poor soul. Musk is one of the largest beneficiaries of the "pro-war lobby", through government contracts. See how well DOGE will (not) go after those, you might be surprised. I won't.
thrance 2y ago
We don't care about Vance expressing his backwards views in public, we care about America allying with fascist Russia against Ukraine and Europe, then claiming insane shit like "Ukraine started the war", then having that slimey Heritage Fundation lackey come and tell us our "freedom of expression is threatened". At this point you're either a complete lunatic or appalled by Trump and his circus, there can't be another way. Elon Musk is an idiot, he did abandon his child [1], he did do a nazi salute [2], he did have a neonazi background even before that [3], he did cheat at video game for attention [4]. The guy tweets an average of 800 times a week [5], how is he finding the time to work on his companies AND run a governement agency? He doesn't work, that's the answer. Obviously you won't open these links, you won't change your mind. You won't document yourself on how Elon failed several ventures through his management, how he didn't build his succesful ones, etc. I'm starting to wonder what is would take for the likes of you to reconsider your position at this point. Have the guy yell "BLOOD AND SOIL" during a rally, maybe? Would that even be enough? [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-ashley-st-clair-baby-secret-children-b2699313.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gesture-speaks-for-itself-germans-divided-over-musks-apparent-nazi-salute https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gestu... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_white_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_wh... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/22/elon-musk-admits-cheating-at-video-games-chat-transcript-appears-to-show https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/22/elon-musk... [5] https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/14/elon-musk-tweets-so-much-people-bet-over-1m-weekly-to-guess-how-many-posts/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/14/elon-musk-tweets-so-much-p...
narrator 2y ago
The weirdest part about Europeans is they were totally cool with the U.S assisting im sabotaging the NordStream pipeline. They accept U.S imperialism whole heartedly and now that we're withdrawing from running an empire they're mad. I've seen some weird meltdowns from people who were Ukraine boosters saying they should ally with China. Russia and China are allies though, so this doesn't make much sense. Europe is so ridiculously weak militarily and ideologically opposed to spending money on defense that all they can do is talk. They're just a minor player on the world stage now, like South America or something. At least South America decided war was a bad idea in the 19th century with the war of the Triple Alliance and smartly sat out all the 20th century's wars.
t43562 2y ago
I'm a Mrs Thatcher fan in the UK and I'm angry about Musk supporting the Afd and saluting- and of course calling a hero cave diver a paedophile. I am very angry about his incredible behavior and statements about Ukraine. I'm from Rhodesia - not far from where Musk was - and my dad was called up to fight the communist guerillas there that you Americans helped to get into power. I'd be interested to know how do you spin that to make it about "lefties?"
- milesrout 2y ago
  >I'm angry about Musk supporting the Afd Because the media repeatedly slanders them as extremist far-right nazis. They are just a normal right wing party. All their policy positions are bog standard right wing politics. Their leaders are milquetoast and the electoral system in Germany means they would need to compromise in coaliton anyway. >and saluting- He didn't do a Nazi salute but I am glad he waved his arm like that because it is a great diagnostic factor for MDS. If you look at that gesture in the proper context, with the sound on, and remember that these people go and talk in public every day, and remember he is literally a massive autist and we ALL know that aspies can be a bit prone to awkwardness in their movement, and you combine all of that data and conclude it was a Nazi salute, you have MDS. You are letting your hatred of the guy cloud your judgment. >I am very angry about his incredible behavior and statements about Ukraine. Ukraine is complicated though. It isn't black and white. Those regions in the east really are different from the rest of Ukraine. Do they have the right to self-determination? They weren't getting it from Ukraine. On the other hand, Russia likely had some hand in formenting the rebelliousness of the region. It goes without saying that invading countries is bad. But, no progress on the ground in Ukraine since what, November 2022? They aren't going to kick Russia out entirely, and Russia isn't going to take Ukraine. It seems obvious to me that there will need to be a negotiated settlement, it will need to involve Donetsk and Luhansk being part of Russia. But that would have also been a solution years ago, or before the war even started (in 2022) given that the war actually started in 2014. So obviously there is a tension between condemning Russia for its invasion and also recognising that Ukraine will probably come out of the war in the same position territorially it would have been in 10+ years ago if the Donbas regions had been allowed to break away. With that context, the idea that Zelensky is somewhat responsible for the billions of wasted money and many wasted lives is a bit more palatable. That all said, fuck Russia and fuck Putin. >I'm from Rhodesia - not far from where Musk was - and my dad was called up to fight the communist guerillas there that you Americans helped to get into power. What happened in Rhodesia during the decolonial period was one of the worst things the international community has done. A functioning and prosperous country that is now a dysfunctional racist hellhole.

brigade77 2y ago

It is sad. Also, because people who do post something that can be construed to be "pro-Musk" on one issue can also post "anti-Musk" statements on other issues. Apart from the leftists, the pro war lobby is also mad at peace talks. And they have many more organizations like USAID.

thrance 2y ago
"USAID is pro-war", "Russia is pro-peace", "freedom is slavery", etc. It's impressive how you're able to completely disconnect your critical thinking. Fox News, Rogan and X really did a number on you, poor soul. Musk is one of the largest beneficiaries of the "pro-war lobby", through government contracts. See how well DOGE will (not) go after those, you might be surprised. I won't.

thrance 2y ago

We don't care about Vance expressing his backwards views in public, we care about America allying with fascist Russia against Ukraine and Europe, then claiming insane shit like "Ukraine started the war", then having that slimey Heritage Fundation lackey come and tell us our "freedom of expression is threatened". At this point you're either a complete lunatic or appalled by Trump and his circus, there can't be another way. Elon Musk is an idiot, he did abandon his child [1], he did do a nazi salute [2], he did have a neonazi background even before that [3], he did cheat at video game for attention [4]. The guy tweets an average of 800 times a week [5], how is he finding the time to work on his companies AND run a governement agency? He doesn't work, that's the answer. Obviously you won't open these links, you won't change your mind. You won't document yourself on how Elon failed several ventures through his management, how he didn't build his succesful ones, etc. I'm starting to wonder what is would take for the likes of you to reconsider your position at this point. Have the guy yell "BLOOD AND SOIL" during a rally, maybe? Would that even be enough? [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-ashley-st-clair-baby-secret-children-b2699313.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gesture-speaks-for-itself-germans-divided-over-musks-apparent-nazi-salute https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gestu... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_white_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_wh... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/22/elon-musk-admits-cheating-at-video-games-chat-transcript-appears-to-show https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/22/elon-musk... [5] https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/14/elon-musk-tweets-so-much-people-bet-over-1m-weekly-to-guess-how-many-posts/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/14/elon-musk-tweets-so-much-p...

narrator 2y ago

The weirdest part about Europeans is they were totally cool with the U.S assisting im sabotaging the NordStream pipeline. They accept U.S imperialism whole heartedly and now that we're withdrawing from running an empire they're mad. I've seen some weird meltdowns from people who were Ukraine boosters saying they should ally with China. Russia and China are allies though, so this doesn't make much sense. Europe is so ridiculously weak militarily and ideologically opposed to spending money on defense that all they can do is talk. They're just a minor player on the world stage now, like South America or something. At least South America decided war was a bad idea in the 19th century with the war of the Triple Alliance and smartly sat out all the 20th century's wars.

t43562 2y ago

I'm a Mrs Thatcher fan in the UK and I'm angry about Musk supporting the Afd and saluting- and of course calling a hero cave diver a paedophile. I am very angry about his incredible behavior and statements about Ukraine. I'm from Rhodesia - not far from where Musk was - and my dad was called up to fight the communist guerillas there that you Americans helped to get into power. I'd be interested to know how do you spin that to make it about "lefties?"

milesrout 2y ago
>I'm angry about Musk supporting the Afd Because the media repeatedly slanders them as extremist far-right nazis. They are just a normal right wing party. All their policy positions are bog standard right wing politics. Their leaders are milquetoast and the electoral system in Germany means they would need to compromise in coaliton anyway. >and saluting- He didn't do a Nazi salute but I am glad he waved his arm like that because it is a great diagnostic factor for MDS. If you look at that gesture in the proper context, with the sound on, and remember that these people go and talk in public every day, and remember he is literally a massive autist and we ALL know that aspies can be a bit prone to awkwardness in their movement, and you combine all of that data and conclude it was a Nazi salute, you have MDS. You are letting your hatred of the guy cloud your judgment. >I am very angry about his incredible behavior and statements about Ukraine. Ukraine is complicated though. It isn't black and white. Those regions in the east really are different from the rest of Ukraine. Do they have the right to self-determination? They weren't getting it from Ukraine. On the other hand, Russia likely had some hand in formenting the rebelliousness of the region. It goes without saying that invading countries is bad. But, no progress on the ground in Ukraine since what, November 2022? They aren't going to kick Russia out entirely, and Russia isn't going to take Ukraine. It seems obvious to me that there will need to be a negotiated settlement, it will need to involve Donetsk and Luhansk being part of Russia. But that would have also been a solution years ago, or before the war even started (in 2022) given that the war actually started in 2014. So obviously there is a tension between condemning Russia for its invasion and also recognising that Ukraine will probably come out of the war in the same position territorially it would have been in 10+ years ago if the Donbas regions had been allowed to break away. With that context, the idea that Zelensky is somewhat responsible for the billions of wasted money and many wasted lives is a bit more palatable. That all said, fuck Russia and fuck Putin. >I'm from Rhodesia - not far from where Musk was - and my dad was called up to fight the communist guerillas there that you Americans helped to get into power. What happened in Rhodesia during the decolonial period was one of the worst things the international community has done. A functioning and prosperous country that is now a dysfunctional racist hellhole.