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I would encourage you to watch the whole video of the incident, with sound, and then put your hand on your heart and honestly say you think that was a sieg heil

by Neil44 2y ago

I would encourage you to watch the whole video of the incident, with sound, and then put your hand on your heart and honestly say you think that was a sieg heil. (but don't throw it to the crowd after)

altacc 2y ago
I've watched it, many people have, and have still firmly concluded it was a purposeful action. It's debatable whether it was a true "I'm a Nazi" move or a "I'm a troll" move but the smirk on the face, the long, long history of trolling and antagonizing opponents, the previous comments from Musk that the left was calling him a Nazi, etc... all indicate that he intentionally did something provoking. This is even more true for the latest copycats from CPAC, which show that the Fascist salute is being normalised and becoming a MAGA symbol. Think about that. Whatever Elon's original intent, the American right is now knowingly doing the fascist salute, not as satire but as a open sign of their politics and provocation to their opponents.
rmu09 2y ago
It was not a coincidence that it looked like one. Nobody with knowledge of contemporary history would make a gesture that could be interpreted as "Sieg Heil" by mistake at an event that is watched worldwide.
- rvnx 2y ago
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  - dh2022 2y ago
    Why do people keep saying that Elon is on ketamine? What news did I miss? Did he check himself in a rehab? Did he do something outrageous a a party? I am curious. Thanks!
    - rmu09 2y ago
      https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1 https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e... https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-use-don-lemon-interview/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-u... https://www.foxnews.com/health/elon-musk-reveals-takes-ketamine-denies-abusing-drug-should-keep-taking-it https://www.foxnews.com/health/elon-musk-reveals-takes-ketam... etc. just ask any search engine
    - rvnx 2y ago
      https://www.wired.com/story/ketamine-psychedelic-slumber-parties-tech-executives/ https://www.wired.com/story/ketamine-psychedelic-slumber-par... > “Ketamine is helpful for getting one out of the negative frame of mind,” Elon Musk told an interviewer last year. The unelected man currently gutting US federal programs isn’t the only one who thinks so. Ketamine, approved decades ago as a surgical anesthetic and long used as a party drug, is the off-label mental-health treatment of the moment. It induces a “trancelike” state of “sensory isolation,” researchers say, and may temporarily boost the brain’s neuroplasticity—which, in theory, makes mental ruts easier to escape. At the same time, ketamine abuse can be deadly, and the drug remains illegal to use without a prescription. (Musk says he has one from “an actual, real doctor.”) Basically costs $350 to get a prescription.
    - techorange 2y ago
      He talked about using Ketamine. Openly.
dh2022 2y ago
I watched the video with sound quite a few times. It was totally heil hitler salute. (Not to bring up the statement Elon made about how Germans should stop apologizing for holocaust. At that point even the anti-defamation league gave upon him. Elon is fascist to the core)
- Neil44 2y ago
  I don't understand why modern day Germans would have to apologise for the holocaust either, maybe I'm out of touch. I also don't know why HN keeps these Elon posts up because they're always a shit-show of reddit-ness and I believe most other similarly high-conflict subjects would have been nixed by now.
Hikikomori 2y ago
Wanna explain this white supremacy dog whistle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://theconversation.com/musks-inauguration-salute-is-not-the-only-apparent-fascist-signal-from-trumps-administration-248517 https://theconversation.com/musks-inauguration-salute-is-not...
ryandrake 2y ago
I would encourage anyone who thinks it was not a Nazi sieg heil to go into work and do the exact gesture in front of your boss, and then report back here on what happens.

by Neil44 2y ago

altacc 2y ago

I've watched it, many people have, and have still firmly concluded it was a purposeful action. It's debatable whether it was a true "I'm a Nazi" move or a "I'm a troll" move but the smirk on the face, the long, long history of trolling and antagonizing opponents, the previous comments from Musk that the left was calling him a Nazi, etc... all indicate that he intentionally did something provoking. This is even more true for the latest copycats from CPAC, which show that the Fascist salute is being normalised and becoming a MAGA symbol. Think about that. Whatever Elon's original intent, the American right is now knowingly doing the fascist salute, not as satire but as a open sign of their politics and provocation to their opponents.

rmu09 2y ago

It was not a coincidence that it looked like one. Nobody with knowledge of contemporary history would make a gesture that could be interpreted as "Sieg Heil" by mistake at an event that is watched worldwide.

rvnx 2y ago
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- dh2022 2y ago
  Why do people keep saying that Elon is on ketamine? What news did I miss? Did he check himself in a rehab? Did he do something outrageous a a party? I am curious. Thanks!
  - rmu09 2y ago
    https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1 https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e... https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-use-don-lemon-interview/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-u... https://www.foxnews.com/health/elon-musk-reveals-takes-ketamine-denies-abusing-drug-should-keep-taking-it https://www.foxnews.com/health/elon-musk-reveals-takes-ketam... etc. just ask any search engine
  - rvnx 2y ago
    https://www.wired.com/story/ketamine-psychedelic-slumber-parties-tech-executives/ https://www.wired.com/story/ketamine-psychedelic-slumber-par... > “Ketamine is helpful for getting one out of the negative frame of mind,” Elon Musk told an interviewer last year. The unelected man currently gutting US federal programs isn’t the only one who thinks so. Ketamine, approved decades ago as a surgical anesthetic and long used as a party drug, is the off-label mental-health treatment of the moment. It induces a “trancelike” state of “sensory isolation,” researchers say, and may temporarily boost the brain’s neuroplasticity—which, in theory, makes mental ruts easier to escape. At the same time, ketamine abuse can be deadly, and the drug remains illegal to use without a prescription. (Musk says he has one from “an actual, real doctor.”) Basically costs $350 to get a prescription.
  - techorange 2y ago
    He talked about using Ketamine. Openly.

dh2022 2y ago

I watched the video with sound quite a few times. It was totally heil hitler salute. (Not to bring up the statement Elon made about how Germans should stop apologizing for holocaust. At that point even the anti-defamation league gave upon him. Elon is fascist to the core)

Neil44 2y ago
I don't understand why modern day Germans would have to apologise for the holocaust either, maybe I'm out of touch. I also don't know why HN keeps these Elon posts up because they're always a shit-show of reddit-ness and I believe most other similarly high-conflict subjects would have been nixed by now.

Hikikomori 2y ago

Wanna explain this white supremacy dog whistle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://theconversation.com/musks-inauguration-salute-is-not-the-only-apparent-fascist-signal-from-trumps-administration-248517 https://theconversation.com/musks-inauguration-salute-is-not...

ryandrake 2y ago

I would encourage anyone who thinks it was not a Nazi sieg heil to go into work and do the exact gesture in front of your boss, and then report back here on what happens.