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Yes. I don’t really understand the “you will be replaced” mentality. I do things because I like doing them not because they have some optimum economic value. L

Yes. I don’t really understand the “you will be replaced” mentality. I do things because I like doing them not because they have some optimum economic value. Like read the ad copy of old apple or HP or xerox and see how they wanted to help make tools that help you think. Today everyone wants to make tools that help you make money. I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me.

larodi 2y ago
I love designing posters for thé love of it. AI helps me learn new shortcuts or suggest tools, helps me delete this or that, but essentially - my appreciation for the process comes from actually moving things around myself and having a say myself. With generative art/writing, well honestly - the author is very very limited in what he can command the NN do and particularly if the author has a string vision. Same for music - I wouldn’t let AI arrange my Renoise tracks, I’d love to do it myself. Is love to create the VCV patches by carefully tuning each knob. And particularly when I actually know/imagine/envision how it should sound. It takes understanding of underlying tech and love for the work. Love - very important. For people lacking vision and creativity, those in a hurry, those under pressure to do shitjobs they hate - it idées may be better to use AI. But not for the real artist.
- mnky9800n 2y ago
  What are your favorite design posters from "the good old days"? haha. Can you share the posters you have made? It's cool that you make such things.
anal_reactor 2y ago
> I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me. This means your are rich, and you can afford the luxury of such mindset.
- dingnuts 2y ago
  Exactly. People are trying to make ends meet. They aren't trying to optimize for money making for fun We're trying to eat today, and maybe someday retire, if we're lucky. It's harder than it used to be, so people are looking for strategies. It's not some morally superior attitude to "engage in peace and happiness" blah blah you're just rich congrats
  - ghaff 2y ago
    There is a very large gap between being "rich" and having to turn every moment into money so that you can eat beans and rice. The general point upthread is that for many/most people, not everything they do has to be a "side hustle." (And there are probably quite a few people here who are pretty comfortable who still look at a lot of activities through the side hustle lens.)
  - watwut 2y ago
    People who are just trying ro make end meets with no hope of improvement do often adopt this thinking. It is that or alcoholism, drug use and gambling. People need meaning in their life and work that mistreat you is not that.
  - mnky9800n 2y ago
    I suppose I rather appreciate the lot of you who believe I am wealthy and therefore able to find happiness in life. I suppose I’ll have to disappoint you a bit and tell you that I am not wealthy and certainly not wealthy by most standards on HN. I simply accept that it’s my job to create my happiness. Nobody else will do it for me.
- wiether 2y ago
  > This means your are rich, and you can afford the luxury of such mindset. The people I know that are focusing on "engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around [them]" are the "poorest" I know of. They chose to have a part-time job (if they have one at all), they chose to live a simple life (from Western standards)... to do what they care about. The only luxury they have is living in a society with enough solidarity to allow them to live this way.
Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
``` I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me. ``` This hit me hard! Thanks a lot mate for this comment.
entropi 2y ago
> I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me. I feel the same way. But I think this is kind of forced on us nowadays. For example, I might want to write a blog post to share my ideas/work/whatever. But it will be used to make money. It will be used to feed my competition. Maybe not necessarily my content, or not necessarily directly compete with me. But as a class of people, by creating more content we are feeding our competition and some minority will make a lot of money out of it. Maybe I was not doing it for the money in the first place, maybe it was being read by 5 humans in total anyways. But still, I have no escape and I personally find the whole idea disgusting. I will take no part in it.
- mnky9800n 2y ago
  Yes I agree. But also I just don’t know what to do about it. I mostly try to make things more private. Like I write a newsletter about my thoughts on ai/ml, physics, etc that’s only for my research institute sent through the email listserv. Maybe nobody reads it but also nobody monetises it. And I get an outlet that is hopefully useful to others I’m directly connected to.
alabastervlog 2y ago
External validation and being useful to others matter. A world of everyone playing violin in a closet for nobody is a dystopia.
- posterman 2y ago
  only inasmuch as a world where everyone playing violin in the streets is a dystopia, too...
  - nonrandomstring 2y ago
    A gentleman is someone who knows how to play the bagpipes but chooses not to. May also apply to violins.
- beauzero 2y ago
  My niece would disagree. She loves playing violin just for the playing of it.
  - alabastervlog 2y ago
    It's not that nobody enjoys doing anything just for its own sake—it's the destruction of ways to provide for others, socially. Humans really, really like doing that. The two things may as well be completely different activities, scratching totally different itches. No amount of solo activity will make us feel whole in the same way feeling that our abilities and passions are helpful to and desired by—not just humored by—others we care about will.
- LiquidSky 2y ago
  This view that you can't just do an activity for your own joy, you have to do it for the approval of other, is the actual dystopia. I wonder how old you are because this seems very much like the attitude of someone who was born in the age of social media.
  - alabastervlog 2y ago
j45 2y ago
Seeing value only measured by utility seems to sidestep the reality that not everything that counts, can be counted. In startup land, the world of innovation accounting for organizations is one attempt to better understand that.

larodi 2y ago

I love designing posters for thé love of it. AI helps me learn new shortcuts or suggest tools, helps me delete this or that, but essentially - my appreciation for the process comes from actually moving things around myself and having a say myself. With generative art/writing, well honestly - the author is very very limited in what he can command the NN do and particularly if the author has a string vision. Same for music - I wouldn’t let AI arrange my Renoise tracks, I’d love to do it myself. Is love to create the VCV patches by carefully tuning each knob. And particularly when I actually know/imagine/envision how it should sound. It takes understanding of underlying tech and love for the work. Love - very important. For people lacking vision and creativity, those in a hurry, those under pressure to do shitjobs they hate - it idées may be better to use AI. But not for the real artist.

mnky9800n 2y ago
What are your favorite design posters from "the good old days"? haha. Can you share the posters you have made? It's cool that you make such things.

anal_reactor 2y ago

> I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me. This means your are rich, and you can afford the luxury of such mindset.

dingnuts 2y ago
Exactly. People are trying to make ends meet. They aren't trying to optimize for money making for fun We're trying to eat today, and maybe someday retire, if we're lucky. It's harder than it used to be, so people are looking for strategies. It's not some morally superior attitude to "engage in peace and happiness" blah blah you're just rich congrats
- ghaff 2y ago
  There is a very large gap between being "rich" and having to turn every moment into money so that you can eat beans and rice. The general point upthread is that for many/most people, not everything they do has to be a "side hustle." (And there are probably quite a few people here who are pretty comfortable who still look at a lot of activities through the side hustle lens.)
- watwut 2y ago
  People who are just trying ro make end meets with no hope of improvement do often adopt this thinking. It is that or alcoholism, drug use and gambling. People need meaning in their life and work that mistreat you is not that.
- mnky9800n 2y ago
  I suppose I rather appreciate the lot of you who believe I am wealthy and therefore able to find happiness in life. I suppose I’ll have to disappoint you a bit and tell you that I am not wealthy and certainly not wealthy by most standards on HN. I simply accept that it’s my job to create my happiness. Nobody else will do it for me.
wiether 2y ago
> This means your are rich, and you can afford the luxury of such mindset. The people I know that are focusing on "engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around [them]" are the "poorest" I know of. They chose to have a part-time job (if they have one at all), they chose to live a simple life (from Western standards)... to do what they care about. The only luxury they have is living in a society with enough solidarity to allow them to live this way.

Imustaskforhelp 2y ago

``` I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me. ``` This hit me hard! Thanks a lot mate for this comment.

entropi 2y ago

> I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me. I feel the same way. But I think this is kind of forced on us nowadays. For example, I might want to write a blog post to share my ideas/work/whatever. But it will be used to make money. It will be used to feed my competition. Maybe not necessarily my content, or not necessarily directly compete with me. But as a class of people, by creating more content we are feeding our competition and some minority will make a lot of money out of it. Maybe I was not doing it for the money in the first place, maybe it was being read by 5 humans in total anyways. But still, I have no escape and I personally find the whole idea disgusting. I will take no part in it.

mnky9800n 2y ago
Yes I agree. But also I just don’t know what to do about it. I mostly try to make things more private. Like I write a newsletter about my thoughts on ai/ml, physics, etc that’s only for my research institute sent through the email listserv. Maybe nobody reads it but also nobody monetises it. And I get an outlet that is hopefully useful to others I’m directly connected to.

alabastervlog 2y ago

External validation and being useful to others matter. A world of everyone playing violin in a closet for nobody is a dystopia.

posterman 2y ago
only inasmuch as a world where everyone playing violin in the streets is a dystopia, too...
- nonrandomstring 2y ago
  A gentleman is someone who knows how to play the bagpipes but chooses not to. May also apply to violins.
beauzero 2y ago
My niece would disagree. She loves playing violin just for the playing of it.
- alabastervlog 2y ago
  It's not that nobody enjoys doing anything just for its own sake—it's the destruction of ways to provide for others, socially. Humans really, really like doing that. The two things may as well be completely different activities, scratching totally different itches. No amount of solo activity will make us feel whole in the same way feeling that our abilities and passions are helpful to and desired by—not just humored by—others we care about will.
LiquidSky 2y ago
This view that you can't just do an activity for your own joy, you have to do it for the approval of other, is the actual dystopia. I wonder how old you are because this seems very much like the attitude of someone who was born in the age of social media.
- alabastervlog 2y ago

j45 2y ago

Seeing value only measured by utility seems to sidestep the reality that not everything that counts, can be counted. In startup land, the world of innovation accounting for organizations is one attempt to better understand that.