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Yes, yes it does. Why is it inconceivable that people don't want to give money to Musk? It's called voting with your wallet. I may like the car, but I deeply di

Yes, yes it does. Why is it inconceivable that people don't want to give money to Musk? It's called voting with your wallet. I may like the car, but I deeply disagree with the business owner's views and deranged behavior over the last couple of years. The easiest thing I can do is to give my money to someone else instead. Ultimately it doesn't matter whether Musk truly believes some of the lunacy he says, his actions speak for him. I disagree with his actions and don't want to support him. He could make the best car in the world for all I care.

jesterson 2y ago
what do you think of Volkswagen then?
- short_sells_poo 2y ago
  If it was 1940, I'd avoid buying one. If you are aware of the Volkswagen profits going directly to a known nazi supporter, I'd love to know. People can change, as can ownership of companies. If Musk divested himself completely of Tesla, I'd be happy to buy one. I have no bias against Tesla or it's employees, I have a bias against the owner currently hard at work trying to destroy democracy in the US and across the globe. More to the point, are you deliberately trolling or you genuinely do not see the point being made?
  - jesterson 2y ago
    > I have a bias against the owner currently hard at work trying to destroy democracy in the US and across the globe. Slight deviation from the topic - i am very keen to know how the owner “trying to destroy democracy in US and across the globe”. Especially curious about the “across the globe” part. mot trolling, genuinely curious.
- gtirloni 2y ago
  It's not so simple with companies, if you view them as a single entity, because they are composed of many individuals and you interface with them at different layers. In the case of Tesla, you have a very public figure embodying the figure of the company. If Tesla has the best EVs it's not really Tesla that has them but _Elon Musk's Tesla_ (whether that's true or not in terms of his stocks doesn't matter to the general public). Same with SpaceX. It's not SpaceX's great engineering team launching rockets that people remember, it's "did you see Elon's latest rocket launch? amazing!" The fact we don't remember who VW's CEO is speaks volumes about this (in the opposite way).

jesterson 2y ago

what do you think of Volkswagen then?

short_sells_poo 2y ago
If it was 1940, I'd avoid buying one. If you are aware of the Volkswagen profits going directly to a known nazi supporter, I'd love to know. People can change, as can ownership of companies. If Musk divested himself completely of Tesla, I'd be happy to buy one. I have no bias against Tesla or it's employees, I have a bias against the owner currently hard at work trying to destroy democracy in the US and across the globe. More to the point, are you deliberately trolling or you genuinely do not see the point being made?
- jesterson 2y ago
  > I have a bias against the owner currently hard at work trying to destroy democracy in the US and across the globe. Slight deviation from the topic - i am very keen to know how the owner “trying to destroy democracy in US and across the globe”. Especially curious about the “across the globe” part. mot trolling, genuinely curious.
gtirloni 2y ago
It's not so simple with companies, if you view them as a single entity, because they are composed of many individuals and you interface with them at different layers. In the case of Tesla, you have a very public figure embodying the figure of the company. If Tesla has the best EVs it's not really Tesla that has them but _Elon Musk's Tesla_ (whether that's true or not in terms of his stocks doesn't matter to the general public). Same with SpaceX. It's not SpaceX's great engineering team launching rockets that people remember, it's "did you see Elon's latest rocket launch? amazing!" The fact we don't remember who VW's CEO is speaks volumes about this (in the opposite way).