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Beside the person of Elon himself, there is another thing too: Tesla cars are old. Yesterday's design with yesterday's features. There hasn't been a new Tesla s

Beside the person of Elon himself, there is another thing too: Tesla cars are old. Yesterday's design with yesterday's features. There hasn't been a new Tesla since what... a decade? Sure, Cybertruck exists, but that's not really comparable to a Tesla 3 for example, in its function, target customers and price...

pwagland 2y ago
But that really isn't true either. The model 3, for example, has undergone 3 or 4 refreshes that change a lot. They have not dramatically changed the exterior of the car, which I know a lot of people think is absolutely critical, since an 8 year old model 3 looks almost identical to a new model 3. Most car makers haven't released new models in a long time, they just update their current models, and make them visibly different from the outside. Now… if you were talking about the lack of new feature _in_ the car, then I would be happy to agree. And if you want to talk about the _still_ lacking functionality of automatic wipers…
- Neil44 2y ago
  Yes - Tesla seem to make very big changes under the hood that aren't obvious from outside so you don't realise they're actually refreshing the models. For example at a refresh of the Y they changed it so that the whole floor was battery and the seats etc bolted to that. Massive castings come and go. Pretty huge updates.
  - flowerthoughts 2y ago
    What's the benefit to the customer? Usually the silent changes are for making the product cheaper and increasing profits. Did it provide more leg room or battery capacity, or something else?
- EasyMark 2y ago
  Yeah not sure what they're talking about. I'm not gonna buy a tesla because their quality is usually crap and mediocre when you "get a good build". Now with his shenanigans and experimentation with fascism and ignorance of the constitution, I can confidently say I will never want to be associated with that. I am thinking on a hybrid small SUV now.
altacc 2y ago
True. Norway is an EV leader and a few years ago the only real option for an affordable long range EV was a Tesla. The Nissan Leaf was next popular as it was a perfect city car but useless for the drive to the mountain cabin. Now there's a range of cars of all sizes and budgets in both the new and used car markets and Teslas are the "meh" brand.

pwagland 2y ago

But that really isn't true either. The model 3, for example, has undergone 3 or 4 refreshes that change a lot. They have not dramatically changed the exterior of the car, which I know a lot of people think is absolutely critical, since an 8 year old model 3 looks almost identical to a new model 3. Most car makers haven't released new models in a long time, they just update their current models, and make them visibly different from the outside. Now… if you were talking about the lack of new feature _in_ the car, then I would be happy to agree. And if you want to talk about the _still_ lacking functionality of automatic wipers…

Neil44 2y ago
Yes - Tesla seem to make very big changes under the hood that aren't obvious from outside so you don't realise they're actually refreshing the models. For example at a refresh of the Y they changed it so that the whole floor was battery and the seats etc bolted to that. Massive castings come and go. Pretty huge updates.
- flowerthoughts 2y ago
  What's the benefit to the customer? Usually the silent changes are for making the product cheaper and increasing profits. Did it provide more leg room or battery capacity, or something else?
EasyMark 2y ago
Yeah not sure what they're talking about. I'm not gonna buy a tesla because their quality is usually crap and mediocre when you "get a good build". Now with his shenanigans and experimentation with fascism and ignorance of the constitution, I can confidently say I will never want to be associated with that. I am thinking on a hybrid small SUV now.

altacc 2y ago

True. Norway is an EV leader and a few years ago the only real option for an affordable long range EV was a Tesla. The Nissan Leaf was next popular as it was a perfect city car but useless for the drive to the mountain cabin. Now there's a range of cars of all sizes and budgets in both the new and used car markets and Teslas are the "meh" brand.