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I feel somewhat vindicated seeing no pro-Elon comments here anymore (or very few). I've been saying since 2017 that he's crooked and full of sh*t, when he engag

I feel somewhat vindicated seeing no pro-Elon comments here anymore (or very few). I've been saying since 2017 that he's crooked and full of sh*t, when he engaged in union-busting while describing himself as a "socialist". Now that he's overtly showing his incompetency, stupidity and rancid ideas to the world, people see him for what he always was. A failed father abandoning his children, a pathetic man cheating at video games to seek attention, a mediocre self-serving neonazi.

null_investor 2y ago
It's really surprising to see that in HN. I personally fucking love rockets and what he did. But for the past years made me hate the man. My guess is that most people here are center-right wing, or at least a majority of HN isn't left-leaning. It's surprising he managed to make even that audience hate him
- thrance 2y ago
  To be clear, I think it's fine to be excited about what SpaceX does. Elon is not the one thinking, designing, building and flying the rockets.
- milesrout 2y ago
  HN is extremely (American) left-leaning. Do you not remember the threads about the murderer of the health insurance CEO? Any thread about US politics? Or just the simple fact every thread about office politics or workplace relations is VERY pro-unionisation, VERY anti-manager. HN highly favours higher taxes, higher minimum wage, trade unionism, work from home, open borders, net zero etc. Of course it is an American leftism rather than European leftism or Commonwealth leftism which have different focuses.
  - thrance 2y ago
    Honestly, until very recently, I haven't felt that at all. Just look at the thread on Trump winning the elections. You might be right in that the majority of users may be democrats, but that doesn't mean they are all pro-union, pro-redistribution, etc. I wouldn't call management-bashing leftist, everyone engages in that, even if right-wingers refuse to go further than individual action.
  - t43562 2y ago
    Working from home isn't leftwing, nor anti-manager, nor is netzero and nor are a lot of your other issues. That you think they are is the propaganda working on you. I can believe in the profit motive without thinking that we should ignore science.
  - Hikikomori 2y ago
    They're probably in the minority here like they are in real life, but there's plenty of right wing extremists, just scroll through any politics trump/musk thread in the past few weeks and about Israel for the past year. Even the current administrations project 2025 comes from right wing tech extremists (mixed with christian faschists) that believe that tech CEOs should be feudal kings in a broken up America, I don't think any website is closer to this than hackernews.
milesrout 2y ago
If you post anything pro-Musk, or even anything questioning people posting deranged conspiracy theories about him without evidence, you just get flagged and downvoted and yelled at. Why bother engaging? Lefties in America are mad they lost the election and lefties in Europe are mad that Americans are expressing their opinions about European politics. They are angry, and don't want to engage in good faith or have a real conversation. So why bother trying to engage with people that just want to rant. It is like if your girlfriend comes to you and rants about her day. She doesn't want to debate the issue she is ranting about and if you tried to do so you'd be reading the room very wrong. Your entire comment, by the way, is inaccurate. He is not incompetent or stupid, obviously. He isn't failing: the EU is putting tariffs on EVs made in China because it can't compete on price. The rest of the stuff is just pathetic. Nazi! REALLY? That is the level of discourse on HN now. It is so obvious that these threads are brigaded.
- brigade77 2y ago
  It is sad. Also, because people who do post something that can be construed to be "pro-Musk" on one issue can also post "anti-Musk" statements on other issues. Apart from the leftists, the pro war lobby is also mad at peace talks. And they have many more organizations like USAID.
  - thrance 2y ago
    "USAID is pro-war", "Russia is pro-peace", "freedom is slavery", etc. It's impressive how you're able to completely disconnect your critical thinking. Fox News, Rogan and X really did a number on you, poor soul. Musk is one of the largest beneficiaries of the "pro-war lobby", through government contracts. See how well DOGE will (not) go after those, you might be surprised. I won't.
- thrance 2y ago
  We don't care about Vance expressing his backwards views in public, we care about America allying with fascist Russia against Ukraine and Europe, then claiming insane shit like "Ukraine started the war", then having that slimey Heritage Fundation lackey come and tell us our "freedom of expression is threatened". At this point you're either a complete lunatic or appalled by Trump and his circus, there can't be another way. Elon Musk is an idiot, he did abandon his child [1], he did do a nazi salute [2], he did have a neonazi background even before that [3], he did cheat at video game for attention [4]. The guy tweets an average of 800 times a week [5], how is he finding the time to work on his companies AND run a governement agency? He doesn't work, that's the answer. Obviously you won't open these links, you won't change your mind. You won't document yourself on how Elon failed several ventures through his management, how he didn't build his succesful ones, etc. I'm starting to wonder what is would take for the likes of you to reconsider your position at this point. Have the guy yell "BLOOD AND SOIL" during a rally, maybe? Would that even be enough? [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-ashley-st-clair-baby-secret-children-b2699313.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gesture-speaks-for-itself-germans-divided-over-musks-apparent-nazi-salute https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gestu... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_white_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_wh... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/22/elon-musk-admits-cheating-at-video-games-chat-transcript-appears-to-show https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/22/elon-musk... [5] https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/14/elon-musk-tweets-so-much-people-bet-over-1m-weekly-to-guess-how-many-posts/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/14/elon-musk-tweets-so-much-p...

null_investor 2y ago

It's really surprising to see that in HN. I personally fucking love rockets and what he did. But for the past years made me hate the man. My guess is that most people here are center-right wing, or at least a majority of HN isn't left-leaning. It's surprising he managed to make even that audience hate him

thrance 2y ago
To be clear, I think it's fine to be excited about what SpaceX does. Elon is not the one thinking, designing, building and flying the rockets.
milesrout 2y ago
HN is extremely (American) left-leaning. Do you not remember the threads about the murderer of the health insurance CEO? Any thread about US politics? Or just the simple fact every thread about office politics or workplace relations is VERY pro-unionisation, VERY anti-manager. HN highly favours higher taxes, higher minimum wage, trade unionism, work from home, open borders, net zero etc. Of course it is an American leftism rather than European leftism or Commonwealth leftism which have different focuses.
- thrance 2y ago
  Honestly, until very recently, I haven't felt that at all. Just look at the thread on Trump winning the elections. You might be right in that the majority of users may be democrats, but that doesn't mean they are all pro-union, pro-redistribution, etc. I wouldn't call management-bashing leftist, everyone engages in that, even if right-wingers refuse to go further than individual action.
- t43562 2y ago
  Working from home isn't leftwing, nor anti-manager, nor is netzero and nor are a lot of your other issues. That you think they are is the propaganda working on you. I can believe in the profit motive without thinking that we should ignore science.
- Hikikomori 2y ago
  They're probably in the minority here like they are in real life, but there's plenty of right wing extremists, just scroll through any politics trump/musk thread in the past few weeks and about Israel for the past year. Even the current administrations project 2025 comes from right wing tech extremists (mixed with christian faschists) that believe that tech CEOs should be feudal kings in a broken up America, I don't think any website is closer to this than hackernews.

milesrout 2y ago

If you post anything pro-Musk, or even anything questioning people posting deranged conspiracy theories about him without evidence, you just get flagged and downvoted and yelled at. Why bother engaging? Lefties in America are mad they lost the election and lefties in Europe are mad that Americans are expressing their opinions about European politics. They are angry, and don't want to engage in good faith or have a real conversation. So why bother trying to engage with people that just want to rant. It is like if your girlfriend comes to you and rants about her day. She doesn't want to debate the issue she is ranting about and if you tried to do so you'd be reading the room very wrong. Your entire comment, by the way, is inaccurate. He is not incompetent or stupid, obviously. He isn't failing: the EU is putting tariffs on EVs made in China because it can't compete on price. The rest of the stuff is just pathetic. Nazi! REALLY? That is the level of discourse on HN now. It is so obvious that these threads are brigaded.

brigade77 2y ago
It is sad. Also, because people who do post something that can be construed to be "pro-Musk" on one issue can also post "anti-Musk" statements on other issues. Apart from the leftists, the pro war lobby is also mad at peace talks. And they have many more organizations like USAID.
- thrance 2y ago
  "USAID is pro-war", "Russia is pro-peace", "freedom is slavery", etc. It's impressive how you're able to completely disconnect your critical thinking. Fox News, Rogan and X really did a number on you, poor soul. Musk is one of the largest beneficiaries of the "pro-war lobby", through government contracts. See how well DOGE will (not) go after those, you might be surprised. I won't.
thrance 2y ago
We don't care about Vance expressing his backwards views in public, we care about America allying with fascist Russia against Ukraine and Europe, then claiming insane shit like "Ukraine started the war", then having that slimey Heritage Fundation lackey come and tell us our "freedom of expression is threatened". At this point you're either a complete lunatic or appalled by Trump and his circus, there can't be another way. Elon Musk is an idiot, he did abandon his child [1], he did do a nazi salute [2], he did have a neonazi background even before that [3], he did cheat at video game for attention [4]. The guy tweets an average of 800 times a week [5], how is he finding the time to work on his companies AND run a governement agency? He doesn't work, that's the answer. Obviously you won't open these links, you won't change your mind. You won't document yourself on how Elon failed several ventures through his management, how he didn't build his succesful ones, etc. I'm starting to wonder what is would take for the likes of you to reconsider your position at this point. Have the guy yell "BLOOD AND SOIL" during a rally, maybe? Would that even be enough? [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-ashley-st-clair-baby-secret-children-b2699313.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gesture-speaks-for-itself-germans-divided-over-musks-apparent-nazi-salute https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gestu... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_white_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_wh... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/22/elon-musk-admits-cheating-at-video-games-chat-transcript-appears-to-show https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/22/elon-musk... [5] https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/14/elon-musk-tweets-so-much-people-bet-over-1m-weekly-to-guess-how-many-posts/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/14/elon-musk-tweets-so-much-p...